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Don't Let Brexit Rowdies Wreck The Proms Spirit?
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/// In 2013, as managing director of London’s Barbican Centre, he claimed the Proms had been ‘dangerously English’ until he brought in international musicians. ///
The Proms dangerously English? How dare you sir, to the Tower with you.
/// In 2013, as managing director of London’s Barbican Centre, he claimed the Proms had been ‘dangerously English’ until he brought in international musicians. ///
The Proms dangerously English? How dare you sir, to the Tower with you.
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I will overlook your rudeness, it only goes to highlight your loss of augment, and it is not needed or does anything constructive toward the debate.
/// Classical music is of little interest to millions of native Brits. ///
No one, least of all myself is denying that fact, but in this case the thread is all about the interest of the native Brits (as you call us) in the music played at the Proms.
/// Pop music is the music that defines a cultural identity to more people than classical. ///
But in this case we are not discussing pop music.
/// Your assertion that non-whites do not embrace British culture is way off the mark. ///
In your opinion maybe, but the Proms are a typical British cultural event, and by the lack of interest shown by non-whites (your words again, I chose to use the words ethnic groups) proves that they are not prepared to embrace certain British cultural events.
/// I know that you're the only person 'brave enough to raise these matters', ///
I am sure that I am not the "only person", but why in our land of free speech does one have to be 'Brave Enough' to raise such matters, simply because it touches a few raw nerves of those who toe the PC line providing of course that it doesn't disagree with their own particular agenda.
I will overlook your rudeness, it only goes to highlight your loss of augment, and it is not needed or does anything constructive toward the debate.
/// Classical music is of little interest to millions of native Brits. ///
No one, least of all myself is denying that fact, but in this case the thread is all about the interest of the native Brits (as you call us) in the music played at the Proms.
/// Pop music is the music that defines a cultural identity to more people than classical. ///
But in this case we are not discussing pop music.
/// Your assertion that non-whites do not embrace British culture is way off the mark. ///
In your opinion maybe, but the Proms are a typical British cultural event, and by the lack of interest shown by non-whites (your words again, I chose to use the words ethnic groups) proves that they are not prepared to embrace certain British cultural events.
/// I know that you're the only person 'brave enough to raise these matters', ///
I am sure that I am not the "only person", but why in our land of free speech does one have to be 'Brave Enough' to raise such matters, simply because it touches a few raw nerves of those who toe the PC line providing of course that it doesn't disagree with their own particular agenda.
sp1814
/// To say that few attendees at the Proms is evidence that people from ethnic minorities are not prepared to embrace British culture is pure nonsense. ///
A few attendees???????? In 2012 over 300,000 people attended Proms concerts.
One doesn't see many Ethnic minorities at the Trooping of the Colour or at other Royal occasions, and I have never seen any ethic Morris Dancers, or any bowling for the pig at English village fairs, all part of British culture, you understand?
/// To say that few attendees at the Proms is evidence that people from ethnic minorities are not prepared to embrace British culture is pure nonsense. ///
A few attendees???????? In 2012 over 300,000 people attended Proms concerts.
One doesn't see many Ethnic minorities at the Trooping of the Colour or at other Royal occasions, and I have never seen any ethic Morris Dancers, or any bowling for the pig at English village fairs, all part of British culture, you understand?
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You might be prepared to overlook my rudeness, but I won't be overlooking you comments about ethnic minorities.
Classical music is no where near as popular with ethnic minorities as it is with English people. Or more accurately English middle and upper classes.
You will get more bankers than binmen at the Proms.
You will get more dentists than doormen at Kenwood House.
Why would someone who doesn't like classical music attend the Proms?
I know you have a mission to slate ethnic minorities as frequently as possible, but using the Proms as proof is woolly-headed and simply wrong.
I really feel that in certain circumstance, whilst it may not help further debate, it's a useful tool to show others how much anger ill-considered posts can generate.
Incidentally, your post at 15:05 has missed the point I made. I wasn't saying that there were only a few attendees at the Proms.
Reread what I wrote.
There's a dangling participle in there, but it's still clear I was talking specifically about the number of ethnic minorities who attend the Proms, rather that the total number attending.
Oh, and regarding your comments on village green cricket and morris dancers.
What percentage of English villages have a large enough ethnic minority population to support this?
And morris dancers? How many are based in urban areas?
Classical music is no where near as popular with ethnic minorities as it is with English people. Or more accurately English middle and upper classes.
You will get more bankers than binmen at the Proms.
You will get more dentists than doormen at Kenwood House.
Why would someone who doesn't like classical music attend the Proms?
I know you have a mission to slate ethnic minorities as frequently as possible, but using the Proms as proof is woolly-headed and simply wrong.
I really feel that in certain circumstance, whilst it may not help further debate, it's a useful tool to show others how much anger ill-considered posts can generate.
Incidentally, your post at 15:05 has missed the point I made. I wasn't saying that there were only a few attendees at the Proms.
Reread what I wrote.
There's a dangling participle in there, but it's still clear I was talking specifically about the number of ethnic minorities who attend the Proms, rather that the total number attending.
Oh, and regarding your comments on village green cricket and morris dancers.
What percentage of English villages have a large enough ethnic minority population to support this?
And morris dancers? How many are based in urban areas?
I hope that, as you vigorously sing Land of Hope and Glory, you all remember that the 'land' refers to ALL of Britain and not just to England. It was, after all, a line in the 'Coronation Ode' written by AC Benson to accompany Elgar's 'Pomp and Circumstance March No 1' music. It was for Edward VII's coronation and he - just like the present queen - was monarch of Great Britain, not just England.
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The Proms plays music from all over the world.
That the general majority of citizens of the UK do not appreciate classical music is to be deprecated I.M.O.. When I was at infant and junior school every day started with an assembly and we filed in and sat down to classical music. This was referred to and explained briefly during the notices and so on. So, painlessly, we got a good general understanding and appreciation. Is it really much to demand that this simple approach be re-adopted. After all there is Brahms, Beethoven, Debussy, Mozart, Verdi (all non-British and European) to learn to appreciate. I'm quite annoyed by these silly 'little europeans'.
That the general majority of citizens of the UK do not appreciate classical music is to be deprecated I.M.O.. When I was at infant and junior school every day started with an assembly and we filed in and sat down to classical music. This was referred to and explained briefly during the notices and so on. So, painlessly, we got a good general understanding and appreciation. Is it really much to demand that this simple approach be re-adopted. After all there is Brahms, Beethoven, Debussy, Mozart, Verdi (all non-British and European) to learn to appreciate. I'm quite annoyed by these silly 'little europeans'.
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