Why Was This Debated At Pm..q Time, Its Our Xmas....

[trt]

and some Councils have been changing the name in the past, well if it upsets other Religions, to bad.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/710575/Theresa-May-defend-british-culture-pmq

[jno]

call it Yule, as it originally was before the Christians hijacked it. If it upsets Christians, too bad.

[Mamyalynne]

This topic was discussed recently - it strikes me as your link says that some behind desks overthink what may offend and appear to act for us, but by and large they don't, as the perception of offence was just that - a perception.


http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1512562.html


Only we can let Christmas die,diminish or change.

[ummmm]

Christmas will never die out. As said in Mamy's link it's far too commercial.

I don't celebrate Christmas. To me it's just a day I get dinner cooked for me.

[mikey4444]

We have debated this issue before !

There is no chance, whatsoever, that Xmas will be abandoned in Britain .....there is no debate to be held.

[Gromit]

// an “incredibly well-meaning white manager” put up a “festive tree” in a community centre so as not to offend his Asian and Muslim colleagues by calling it a Christmas tree. //

Yes, the tree is central to the birth story of Jesus. From the three wise lumberjacks who trudged through the forest to sell Joseph some timber, to the log burning stove that the shepherds installed in the stable to keep the infant son of god warm. The tree is such an iconic symbol of christianity, and we should guard against pagan religions trying to steal it.

[naomi24]

Good for her. High time someone stood up for British culture and tradition.

(Gromit, there was no stable).

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

No Gromit the Christmas tree is now a British tradition brought over from Germany.

Just another tradition some would wish to see disappear, in the relentless attempts at kow-towing to certain minorities.

[agchristie]

Naomi > Good for her. High time someone stood up for British culture and tradition.

I met Louise Casey 10 years ago when Blair made her the Respect Task Group Tsar.Guess what? Gordon Brown scrapped it and she was shunted over to deal with Community Policing I believe.

[mikey4444]

Gromit.....lol at 08:23 !

[jackthehat]

///Just another tradition some would wish to see disappear, in the relentless attempts at kow-towing to certain minorities. ///

So, if continued for long enough, something introduced into the country by a foreign immigrant can become such a part of British 'culture' that it's potential (though highly unlikely, realistically) disappearance can get 'patriots' frothing at the mouth?

I trust the irony of the situation is completely lost on those people.....

[-Talbot-]

Its Our Xmas....



What do you actually mean by that, trt?

[andy-hughes]

I would argue that the achingly PC attitude of trying not to offend one section of a community, and in doing so, offending another, should be made to disappear.

If other cultures are offended by the celebration of Christmas, they can say so, and it can be discussed.

But to assume offence, and act to avoid it, is over-thinking and over-reacting to something which does not actually exist.

The irony is, I don't believe any other culture is, or would be offended by Christmas being celebrated - why would they?

[douglas9401]

Tyical of some to want to undermine the season of Werthers Originals and John Lewis.
People fought and died for your right to inhale M&S mince pies and Bernard Matthews turkey to celebrate illegitimacy and the biggest lie ever told.
There oughta be a law, etc.

[naomi24]

AG, Gordon Brown – the man who, in dismissing an elector voicing genuine concerns as a ‘bigoted woman’, spoke volumes.

[sp1814]

How can Christmas be deemed racist when people from different races celebrate it?

[jim360]

This problem is massively overblown -- not least because the festival of Christmas has clearly been co-opted anyway into a more general and longer-term Winter break/ celebration. If the "Christmas lights" are going up in November then it's not Christmas in any Christian sense.

I've no issue with people celebrating Christmas, Easter, or any other religious festival how they please, and I don't think that changing the name for fear of causing offence is justified either, but changing the name because it's actually not Christmas being celebrated per se is perfectly reasonable. People should stop being so uptight about "defending" something that was already lost (and, anyway, it's a bit rich of people to complain about being so mortally offended by the idea while at the same time getting sick of people being offended when their sensibilities are challenged).

[naomi24]

Jim, // People should stop being so uptight about "defending" something that was already lost //

I don't understand that. What is already lost?

[agchristie]

Naomi > re:Gordon Brown,I'd forgotten that one!

Jim > I'm too puzzled as to what is 'lost'?

[jim360]

Well, Christmas as a Christian festival starts (and, for that matter, ends) on December 25th; anything festive before/ after it is therefore not Christmas. Even apart from that pedantry it should be obvious to everyone that the season of goodwill to all men, celebration of Christ's birth, etc, has been "lost" in the noise of an excuse to have a massive month-or-so long festive period including lots of shopping. Why insist on calling this wider period "Christmas"?

[agchristie]

^ bah,humbug!