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Do Some No Longer Have To Obey A Police Request?
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What was the policeman supposed to say? "Alright sir if you don't want to step out of the car, drive safely and have a good day".
What was the policeman supposed to say? "Alright sir if you don't want to step out of the car, drive safely and have a good day".
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When I was receiving careers advice at school,I and a lot of my peers had aspirations of joining the police force. This wasn't that long ago but I would not touch this profession with a bargepole now even if I was offered the job on a plate. There are a lot of brave cops out there who literally put their lives on the line in some of the difficult situations they face....
10:02 Sun 18th Sep 2016
Other methods could have been deployed.
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/// perhaps in your part of the world it is common for windscreens to be staved in by the police but not where I live and I would have filmed it using a camera on my 'phone, as it appears was done in this case. ///
No thank goodness I don't live in that part of the world.
And it come as no surprise to me that you obviously do live in a similar part of the world, one that needs you to use your phone's camera to film any police action.
Are you aware that this was not just a passer by who filmed this episode, but purposely by the perpetrator himself?
With "lets see how far I can goad this cop", in mind.
/// perhaps in your part of the world it is common for windscreens to be staved in by the police but not where I live and I would have filmed it using a camera on my 'phone, as it appears was done in this case. ///
No thank goodness I don't live in that part of the world.
And it come as no surprise to me that you obviously do live in a similar part of the world, one that needs you to use your phone's camera to film any police action.
Are you aware that this was not just a passer by who filmed this episode, but purposely by the perpetrator himself?
With "lets see how far I can goad this cop", in mind.
When I was receiving careers advice at school,I and a lot of my peers had aspirations of joining the police force.
This wasn't that long ago but I would not touch this profession with a bargepole now even if I was offered the job on a plate.
There are a lot of brave cops out there who literally put their lives on the line in some of the difficult situations they face. Some situations clearly escalate which requires the attending officer(s) to get a bit tougher. The individual in this case was clearly not complying or co-operating to a simple request. Of course, there will be an investigation to determine whether the officer's actions were disproportionate but in my view many officers would have reacted in a similar way.
We have heard much recently about recruiting from ethnic groups to neet targets and the possibility of allowing changes to uniforms and tattoos,etc.
The Police should focus on real image issues. What kind of message is sent out to would be applicants if officers are punished for the actions of this sort?
Not me that's for sure.
This wasn't that long ago but I would not touch this profession with a bargepole now even if I was offered the job on a plate.
There are a lot of brave cops out there who literally put their lives on the line in some of the difficult situations they face. Some situations clearly escalate which requires the attending officer(s) to get a bit tougher. The individual in this case was clearly not complying or co-operating to a simple request. Of course, there will be an investigation to determine whether the officer's actions were disproportionate but in my view many officers would have reacted in a similar way.
We have heard much recently about recruiting from ethnic groups to neet targets and the possibility of allowing changes to uniforms and tattoos,etc.
The Police should focus on real image issues. What kind of message is sent out to would be applicants if officers are punished for the actions of this sort?
Not me that's for sure.
ANOTHEOLDGIT, had someone been in the process of staving in your windscreen and you had a 'phone, would you not have used it to capture the incident? If this officer is reprimanded for his actions, will you be back on to ask if some in the police think they need not obey police procedures?
As he said he was doing it because he could not see who it was in the car, how could he say the driver was not allowed to drive?
As he said he was doing it because he could not see who it was in the car, how could he say the driver was not allowed to drive?
Could Leon Fontana have dealt with this situation better? Most probably yes.
Could the Police Officer have handled things better? most definitely yes.
I watched this last night and found his loss of control quite chilling.
As for filming the situation , people film all manner of things all the time it seems to me. Often extremely useful too.
Could the Police Officer have handled things better? most definitely yes.
I watched this last night and found his loss of control quite chilling.
As for filming the situation , people film all manner of things all the time it seems to me. Often extremely useful too.
THECORBYLOON
/// ANOTHEOLDGIT, had someone been in the process of staving in your windscreen and you had a 'phone, would you not have used it to capture the incident? ///
No because I would have just stepped out of my car at the police's request, why was he refusing, if not to see how far he could wind the police officer up and then record the police's action?
/// ANOTHEOLDGIT, had someone been in the process of staving in your windscreen and you had a 'phone, would you not have used it to capture the incident? ///
No because I would have just stepped out of my car at the police's request, why was he refusing, if not to see how far he could wind the police officer up and then record the police's action?
I asked what you would do if the windscreen was being staved in, not if you would have got out the car. The officer did not say he was doing it because the driver was not getting out the car, it was because, "I can't see who you are in that car" Now, if he could not see who the driver was, how could he say at the beginning the driver was not entitled to drive that car? If an officer is not able to see through a side-window or the windscreen, is it normal police procedure to use a baton to smash the glass solely to get a better view of the driver?
Policemen have no been put on "restricted duties"
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As a woman alone, I would not get out of my car for anyone, even a policeman, if I did not feel it was safe to do so. AND I would lock the doors. Where i walk my dogs, I quite often meet a patrol car and because its stupid o clock and maybe dark, they often wander over to see what I am doing. Every time I speak to them through the partially open car window and not one of them has ever objected.
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"What these people must learn is to abide by the law and things are much easier".
"The law" often gets it wrong.
What would YOU do if you knew you had done nothing wrong and a police officer (who is after all only human and has a temper that he will sometimes lose) started making you feel threatened in your car?
"The law" often gets it wrong.
What would YOU do if you knew you had done nothing wrong and a police officer (who is after all only human and has a temper that he will sometimes lose) started making you feel threatened in your car?
Anne, if I was pulled over by a copper for no apparent reason and I knew I had done nothing wrong, I would record it somehow as the recording might be the only proof I had in a "your word against his" situation.
What we *do* know now is that he was mistaken for his cousin.
This country still operates on an "innocent until proved guilty" basis and coppers DO routinely make mistakes.
What we *do* know now is that he was mistaken for his cousin.
This country still operates on an "innocent until proved guilty" basis and coppers DO routinely make mistakes.
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