Knnochio Warns Against Re Electing Jezza!

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37399183
Should the party heed the leader who lost 3 in a row?

[Togo]

Party? Rats in a sack more like.

[Jackdaw33]

To be fair to him, Kinnock only lost two in a row: 1987 and 1992.

[ichkeria]

So because Kinnock lost - I think you'll find it was two - elections, he is wrong about Corbyn?
I think I detect a flaw in your logic.
What, for example, does Tony Blair think?

[mushroom25]

does lord kinnock really believe that half a million labour members have got it wrong? corbyn will be recrowned this week, and those mps who openly defied him earlier in the summer will be singing "hail to the chief" - unless they fancy summary deselection....

[ichkeria]

Er yes because believe it or not come a general election other people are allowed to vote, not just Corbyn's middle class fan club :-)

[agchristie]

Even worse,does Mr Kinnock believe then that the Party would be better served by Owen Smith at the helm?

Pass me the smelling salts...

[Zacs-Master]

At least He’s right about something:
".....by any examination this is the greatest crisis that the Labour Party has faced."

[Jackdaw33]

Too late for warnings anyhow. Nearly all the votes will be in by now. I am looking forward to the bloodbath on Saturday.

[ToraToraTora]

maybe, they'll make it an annual event!

[andy-hughes]

I believe Lord Kinnock is correct in his assessment, but that will not stop the inevitable re-election of Mr Corbyn.

The Labour Party finds itself in a difficult position, entirely of its own making.

Under the classic 'Be careful what you wish for ...' maxim, they added Mr Corbyn's name to the leadership list to try and be seen to be 'fair', and it has roundly bitten them on the bottom by his being elected as leader.

What they have now is a mass of MP's who think (correctly in my view) that Mr Corbyn is not a fit leader, and he will be an electoral disaster for as long as he remains, and a grass roots membership who think he is wonderful, and will support him until the earth spins into the un!

Quite how they get around this is really hard to say - but while they try, they become increasingly fractious and fractured, and the notion of 'opposition' runs down the plughole.

I cannot remember politics in the UK ever being in such a sorry state - no wonder the apathy of coming generations continues - who would want to get behind this shambles?

[ludwig]

from the link..
// Mr Corbyn insists he is "delighted" with the state of the party and the surge in its membership. //

I'm sure he is. I don't think the fact that will be unelectable bothers him particularly. He seems chuffed enough with the prospect of remaining the deified leader of what will effectively just be a large pressure group.

After the leadership election the discontented MPs need to get on with the task of forming their own party and hope it doesn't go the same way as the SDP.

[ichkeria]

This might seem strange, but precisely what the MPs should NOT do is form their own party.
And the reason is indeed those three little letters: SDP :-)

Labour may be a mess now, but even with Corbyn and co,at the helm they'll still be have a lot of MPs come the next parliament. The dull but probably only, option, is to stick with it and fight back from within, seizing the chance when it comes, and it will come. As the far itself left has found, after years of being excluded.
Of course some moderates will drift out of parliamentary politics, to continue the opposition elsewhere, some will probably join other parties, but our electoral system makes Labour the only foreseeable option as a main opposition.

[agchristie]

Andy > I cannot remember politics in the UK ever being in such a sorry state - no wonder the apathy of coming generations continues - who would want to get behind this shambles?

But Corbyn is very popular with large sections of young people!