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The Brexit vote was swayed to leave in Labour stronghold areas. The North, Newcastle, Manchester, Liverpool.
Official Labour policy was to stay but its core voters voted out. So who is out of touch with Labour voters? Miliband senior has the wrong policies for Labour.
Miliband is a Blairite and they seem unable to accept they they (and their policies) have lost the last two General Elections.
They are just offering more of the same, and the electorate don't want that.
Official Labour policy was to stay but its core voters voted out. So who is out of touch with Labour voters? Miliband senior has the wrong policies for Labour.
Miliband is a Blairite and they seem unable to accept they they (and their policies) have lost the last two General Elections.
They are just offering more of the same, and the electorate don't want that.
Dire opinion poll ratings, esp in Scotland with next to no MPs and where the chief Tory is now being touted (admittedly ridiculously) as some sort of political messiah)
I suspect David didn't need to stretch his considerable brain too much to come to that conclusion.
In the 1980s Michael Foot spoke to packed meetings of adoring supporters and, well, the rest is history ..
Hard, unchanging, and cold, Jeremy Corbyn is the rock on which the Labour Party is foundered.
I suspect David didn't need to stretch his considerable brain too much to come to that conclusion.
In the 1980s Michael Foot spoke to packed meetings of adoring supporters and, well, the rest is history ..
Hard, unchanging, and cold, Jeremy Corbyn is the rock on which the Labour Party is foundered.
I've said this before and this probably won't be the last...
They should not be grandstanding to packed venues with adoring fans. They should be campaigning to those that don't agree with them. They should be trying to show those that sit on the other side or on the fence why they are right and how they will make a difference.
Getting all happy flappy with your supporters is just ego boosting. Get off the safe sofa and tour the areas and talk to the people who don't see you as any good.
That will bring them down to earth.
They should not be grandstanding to packed venues with adoring fans. They should be campaigning to those that don't agree with them. They should be trying to show those that sit on the other side or on the fence why they are right and how they will make a difference.
Getting all happy flappy with your supporters is just ego boosting. Get off the safe sofa and tour the areas and talk to the people who don't see you as any good.
That will bring them down to earth.
Yes, well although it was joked he was Red Ed inreality he is pretty much a Tory next to Corbyn and his mates.
Marxism/Communism died out years ago when labour achieved its goal of not haveing down trodden workers. Workers now own their own houses, cars and have foreign holidays and also have apserations and form the base of 'Middle England'. Doesnt quite fit Corbyn's (or Momentums) view of the world.
Marxism/Communism died out years ago when labour achieved its goal of not haveing down trodden workers. Workers now own their own houses, cars and have foreign holidays and also have apserations and form the base of 'Middle England'. Doesnt quite fit Corbyn's (or Momentums) view of the world.
Ymb,
Blairism used to work, but it is totally discredited now. Blairism lost the elections in 2010 and 2015. Voters have seen through it and are not voting for it.
Whilst appealing to middle England used to be priority, the priority now must be not to lose anymore of its core voters. The North and Wales could easily go the way of Scotland if Labour don't start to appeal to them again. The 2020 election looks an impossible win for Labour. Now is the time to concentrate on repositioning the Party and deselecting disloyal ToryLite MPs who are in the wrong party.
Blairism used to work, but it is totally discredited now. Blairism lost the elections in 2010 and 2015. Voters have seen through it and are not voting for it.
Whilst appealing to middle England used to be priority, the priority now must be not to lose anymore of its core voters. The North and Wales could easily go the way of Scotland if Labour don't start to appeal to them again. The 2020 election looks an impossible win for Labour. Now is the time to concentrate on repositioning the Party and deselecting disloyal ToryLite MPs who are in the wrong party.
But without Middle England you are going nowhere.
Retreating to 1970's politics, also seen through by the public will loose you votes surely.
I get your point, but realligning must mean a new way forward not an old one. Blairite policies, as you say, are not the answer but they could easily be modified to bring people back. Perhaps they should look at hte UKIP manifesto or read The currant bun to find outt what voters want?
Retreating to 1970's politics, also seen through by the public will loose you votes surely.
I get your point, but realligning must mean a new way forward not an old one. Blairite policies, as you say, are not the answer but they could easily be modified to bring people back. Perhaps they should look at hte UKIP manifesto or read The currant bun to find outt what voters want?
Yes moaning about "Blairism" is not the answer. Just as "Blairism" itself is not indeed.
Labour needs to look forward, not back. Jeremy Corbyn is an anachronism, but thus far he's been able to present himself as something new and exciting (how bored do you have to be to find JC exciting I wonder but that's another matter), or at last different. Because he IS different, no doubt about that.
He reminds me of the old sea captain played by Tom Baker in Blackadder III.
Who had the exciting and different idea of going to sea without a ship (!!)
Labour needs to look forward, not back. Jeremy Corbyn is an anachronism, but thus far he's been able to present himself as something new and exciting (how bored do you have to be to find JC exciting I wonder but that's another matter), or at last different. Because he IS different, no doubt about that.
He reminds me of the old sea captain played by Tom Baker in Blackadder III.
Who had the exciting and different idea of going to sea without a ship (!!)
It doesn't, to my mind, make any sense to fixate about "core voters".
No party does well when it does that, esp in a FPTP system. Labour's "traditional" voters are a declining breed as ymb correctly observes. If Labour does not broaden its appeal beyond the underprivileged, the exploited, and the middle class trendies flocking to Momentum, then even David M's, and Neil K's dire predictions are going to look optimistic.
No party does well when it does that, esp in a FPTP system. Labour's "traditional" voters are a declining breed as ymb correctly observes. If Labour does not broaden its appeal beyond the underprivileged, the exploited, and the middle class trendies flocking to Momentum, then even David M's, and Neil K's dire predictions are going to look optimistic.
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