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Labour's Election-Winning Manifesto.....
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reported in all media outlets today is john mcdonnell's speech to conference yesterday - with pledges including a complete ban on fracking, a £10 minimum wage, universal benefits, a "soak the rich" tax regime, and a £500 billion loan to fund the forthcoming socialist package.
no links, because the media of each political hue put their own spin on it being either madness, cloud cuckoo land, etc, or a bold fresh approach, socialism at its utmost best, etc.
which of the electoral pledges outlined yesterday would persuade you to vote labour, or to vote anything but?
no links, because the media of each political hue put their own spin on it being either madness, cloud cuckoo land, etc, or a bold fresh approach, socialism at its utmost best, etc.
which of the electoral pledges outlined yesterday would persuade you to vote labour, or to vote anything but?
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Togo,
//Except it isn't true (or is vastly out of date).//
Ohh the irony. "Out of date" when did telling the truth become out dated? With Bliar and Meddlesome maybe? Of course it is bang up to date ideas that define Labour, like ban fracking and open up the coal mines, expand the foreign aid programmes(with borrowed money), empower the unions by repealing wild cat strike legislation, state intervention in failing industries 1970s style, an expansion of Employment Allowances to offset unemployment caused by...................... raising the minimum wage to £10 or more per hour, a "new" and exciting rate of income tax on the better off. Back to the future comrades everybody back on the gravy train. Just wait until Deutsche Bank goes bits up, the last crash will be like a minor shunt and whilst all this unfolds Layboor promise profligacy and chaos. Strangely enough the German business chief Axel Springer is predicting that Britain is going to thrive as the EU collapses inwards, but the Marxist McDonnel and his coterie of trots can only pine for the days when their subversive talents could indeed do the harm to the UK that they so howl and slaver for.
//Except it isn't true (or is vastly out of date).//
Ohh the irony. "Out of date" when did telling the truth become out dated? With Bliar and Meddlesome maybe? Of course it is bang up to date ideas that define Labour, like ban fracking and open up the coal mines, expand the foreign aid programmes(with borrowed money), empower the unions by repealing wild cat strike legislation, state intervention in failing industries 1970s style, an expansion of Employment Allowances to offset unemployment caused by...................... raising the minimum wage to £10 or more per hour, a "new" and exciting rate of income tax on the better off. Back to the future comrades everybody back on the gravy train. Just wait until Deutsche Bank goes bits up, the last crash will be like a minor shunt and whilst all this unfolds Layboor promise profligacy and chaos. Strangely enough the German business chief Axel Springer is predicting that Britain is going to thrive as the EU collapses inwards, but the Marxist McDonnel and his coterie of trots can only pine for the days when their subversive talents could indeed do the harm to the UK that they so howl and slaver for.
Togo,
As usual a simple fact check would help you avoid ending up with egg on your face.
Labour have not pledged to expand the aid programme (the implication being they will dish out more borrowed money). The Labour Party, like the Tory Party are committed to spending 0.7% of GNP on aid. They Tories are not dropping this commitment, so both Labour and Tory will spend THE SAME. As per my previous answers on this thread, Osborne has been borrowing £100billion a year while paying out our 0.7% aid. The very thing you accuse Labour will happen under socialist Labour.
Labour did pledge to 'support and expand' the Department for Overseas Aid. Meaning a few extra staff. Judging from all the stories about aid going to the wrong people, extra support and staff is exactly what is needed to target the aid better.
As usual a simple fact check would help you avoid ending up with egg on your face.
Labour have not pledged to expand the aid programme (the implication being they will dish out more borrowed money). The Labour Party, like the Tory Party are committed to spending 0.7% of GNP on aid. They Tories are not dropping this commitment, so both Labour and Tory will spend THE SAME. As per my previous answers on this thread, Osborne has been borrowing £100billion a year while paying out our 0.7% aid. The very thing you accuse Labour will happen under socialist Labour.
Labour did pledge to 'support and expand' the Department for Overseas Aid. Meaning a few extra staff. Judging from all the stories about aid going to the wrong people, extra support and staff is exactly what is needed to target the aid better.
//Meaning a few extra staff.//
Source?? Or is that just your wishful thinking? More like hundreds of extra non jobs for the "boys"or girls of course. My thinking is that Mother Teresa is going to drastically cut the overseas aid racket and funnel the funds to projects closer to home. Ronal McDonnell knows or suspects this, so gets a shadow minister to flag it up as a commitment that is Layboor's own. I eat my eggs hard boiled and am certainly not a messy eater. Only the slovenly of thought and action are prone to such.
Source?? Or is that just your wishful thinking? More like hundreds of extra non jobs for the "boys"or girls of course. My thinking is that Mother Teresa is going to drastically cut the overseas aid racket and funnel the funds to projects closer to home. Ronal McDonnell knows or suspects this, so gets a shadow minister to flag it up as a commitment that is Layboor's own. I eat my eggs hard boiled and am certainly not a messy eater. Only the slovenly of thought and action are prone to such.
Everything is going to be perfect if Labour are in charge.
I feel good, da da daah daah da da da ...
Didn't they finish by saying ... if we are elected, everyone will live Happily Ever After?
I will vote for those nice Labour people. They are so clever.
Note to self:
Stop thinking "naive, delusional Trots" and start thinking "clever Labour"
I feel good, da da daah daah da da da ...
Didn't they finish by saying ... if we are elected, everyone will live Happily Ever After?
I will vote for those nice Labour people. They are so clever.
Note to self:
Stop thinking "naive, delusional Trots" and start thinking "clever Labour"
Togo,
// ideas that define Labour, like ban fracking and open up the coal mines, //
Yet another instance of you peddling lies. Labour are pledge to ditch coal asap.
Yesterday:
// A Labour government under Jeremy Corbyn would ban fracking, ditch ALL coal-fired power stations and massively increase renewable energy, his leadership campaign has announced. //
// ideas that define Labour, like ban fracking and open up the coal mines, //
Yet another instance of you peddling lies. Labour are pledge to ditch coal asap.
Yesterday:
// A Labour government under Jeremy Corbyn would ban fracking, ditch ALL coal-fired power stations and massively increase renewable energy, his leadership campaign has announced. //
//The day began with a shock announcement that the party would outlaw fracking-preferring instead to reopen coal mines//
Of course they did not consult the 30,00 workers in the gas industry or the GMB. Haha laugh I nearly did. So Corbyn makes an announcement on the 7th to close coal fired power stations, with no replacement gas fired ones, and on the 26th at the conference as part of a future manifesto they are reopening coal mines. What will they do with the coal? Eat it? It's all very so shall ist, is it not.
Of course they did not consult the 30,00 workers in the gas industry or the GMB. Haha laugh I nearly did. So Corbyn makes an announcement on the 7th to close coal fired power stations, with no replacement gas fired ones, and on the 26th at the conference as part of a future manifesto they are reopening coal mines. What will they do with the coal? Eat it? It's all very so shall ist, is it not.
// preferring instead to reopen coal mines //
Sorry but that is just the Daily Mauls spin, and it is wrong. Labour have not announced any plans to re open coal mines. Yesterday's announcement on energy and fracking did not mention coal once, the full speech is here
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Sorry but that is just the Daily Mauls spin, and it is wrong. Labour have not announced any plans to re open coal mines. Yesterday's announcement on energy and fracking did not mention coal once, the full speech is here
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//Among his promises if he came to power Corbyn has promised to renationalise parts of the gas and electricity sector and where possible reopening pits//
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Anybody else keeping up? They don't talk "to" each other just "at" each other.
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Anybody else keeping up? They don't talk "to" each other just "at" each other.
The problem with Labour and Trident is that no one really knows what the position is likely to be.
At the moment, the party supports it. That might change. It is an issue with Corbyn's leadership, not so much that he believes X, Y or Z, but that he sits back and lets the "democratic wishes" of the members decide everything. That is ok up to a point, but it leaves people not really knowing where the party stands, or is likely to stand, on these crucial issues. He simply provides no leadership. Meanwhile the sinister figure of Seamus Milne floats around in the shadows doctoring speeches and leaving even the left winger Clive Lewis insanely angry.
At the moment, the party supports it. That might change. It is an issue with Corbyn's leadership, not so much that he believes X, Y or Z, but that he sits back and lets the "democratic wishes" of the members decide everything. That is ok up to a point, but it leaves people not really knowing where the party stands, or is likely to stand, on these crucial issues. He simply provides no leadership. Meanwhile the sinister figure of Seamus Milne floats around in the shadows doctoring speeches and leaving even the left winger Clive Lewis insanely angry.
The fact that the leader does not support the Party's policy on Trident is mostly irrelevant.
The Commons has already voted to renew. Labour MPs had a free vote, and most supported renewal.
The policy for the Party to support Trident is not on the agenda at the conference.
Labour is unlikely to be in power in 4 years time, by which time it would be too late even if the party changed its pro-Trident policy.
The Commons has already voted to renew. Labour MPs had a free vote, and most supported renewal.
The policy for the Party to support Trident is not on the agenda at the conference.
Labour is unlikely to be in power in 4 years time, by which time it would be too late even if the party changed its pro-Trident policy.
Togo,
Those links are from August 2015, and he does not promise to open any mines. He says that uneconomical mines might become viable again if the market price went up in the future. Only then, it MIGHT be POSSIBLE to mine again. So no policy to reopen any mines, no policy to keep coal powered fire stations.
All of that is in the link you supplied, if you had read it.
// Mr Corbyn suggested that he wanted to “keep fossil fuels in the ground” as he unveiled his energy policy. However, he KEPT OPEN THE POSSIBILITY of reopening coal mines in South Wales with “clean burn technology”.
He said: “The last deep coal mines in South Wales have gone but it’s QUITE POSSIBLE that in future years coal prices will start to go up again around the world. And MAYBE there will be a case for what is actually very high quality coal, particularly in South Wales, being mined again. //
Those links are from August 2015, and he does not promise to open any mines. He says that uneconomical mines might become viable again if the market price went up in the future. Only then, it MIGHT be POSSIBLE to mine again. So no policy to reopen any mines, no policy to keep coal powered fire stations.
All of that is in the link you supplied, if you had read it.
// Mr Corbyn suggested that he wanted to “keep fossil fuels in the ground” as he unveiled his energy policy. However, he KEPT OPEN THE POSSIBILITY of reopening coal mines in South Wales with “clean burn technology”.
He said: “The last deep coal mines in South Wales have gone but it’s QUITE POSSIBLE that in future years coal prices will start to go up again around the world. And MAYBE there will be a case for what is actually very high quality coal, particularly in South Wales, being mined again. //
I did indeed read the links back in Aug 2015, but note that Corbyn (to virtue signal for the ex miners) vows to keep an open mind on recommissioning the coal mines, whilst his bed fellows deem them to be dirty nasty things that must not pollute their world. Another thought, we now have a promise to re nationalise the power industries and suppliers you know gas , oil, electrickery etc.etc. But it appears that Layboor has become much more efficient at ruining businesses, instead of wrecking them with strikes, work to rule practices, sabotage, and an innate ability to make the job as difficult as they and only they can, we have a different strategy. Instead of death by a thousand cuts they will strangle new energy opportunities at birth. Ban fracking haha.
//The fact that the leader does not support the Party's policy on Trident is mostly irrelevant. //
Well that must be a relief for Corbyn, Gromit thinks it's irrelevant that "I am the leader" is at odds with the majority of the party, so it must be. You know as irrelevant as our defence systems are to Corbyn. 6th form agiprop is a sure fire winner at the ballot box, that is shared with the less manic members of the UK, is it not.
Well that must be a relief for Corbyn, Gromit thinks it's irrelevant that "I am the leader" is at odds with the majority of the party, so it must be. You know as irrelevant as our defence systems are to Corbyn. 6th form agiprop is a sure fire winner at the ballot box, that is shared with the less manic members of the UK, is it not.
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