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We have been hearing for months now, that Trump is a very wealthy and successful business.
But now we are being told that he has lost so much money, over the last 18 years, that he hasn't made enough profit to any taxes !
You couldn't make it up !
We have been hearing for months now, that Trump is a very wealthy and successful business.
But now we are being told that he has lost so much money, over the last 18 years, that he hasn't made enough profit to any taxes !
You couldn't make it up !
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TTT he avoided tax by claiming a loss of over $916 MILLION !!! Hardly good for someone who constantly boasts of his business acumen and success!
07:45 Mon 03rd Oct 2016
I don't think anyone is accusing Trump of doing anything illegal this time. That's not really the point. What surely *does* matter is whether or not a guy who has made a habit of abusing the system can be trusted to fix it. After all, it's clearly not in his interest since he's making money out of it. There's also the issues of hypocrisy (Trump has complained in the past about the scandal of tax avoidance or lwo taxes paid by the rich, eg: https:/
That's the scandal here. The hypocrisy of the man, and the betrayal of what he claims to stand for. But we knew this all along. One thing I will say for Trump is that he never denied this (indeed, it was obvious in the debate that he was admitting to paying no taxes, although it was a blink-and-you'd-miss-it admission that Clinton might have done well to draw more attention to).
So on what grounds is a man who has made a livelihood out of abusing US Tax Rules worth trusting to fix them? I'll let Trump himself answer this one, about a separate issue:
"I end up winning Louisiana, and then when everything is done, I find that I get less delegates than this guy who ... got his ass kicked. Give me a break!" -- Trump, complaining about the arcane rules in the Republican nomination.
"You've been hearing me say [the Republican nomination process] is a rigged system, but now I don't say it any more because I won. OK? It's true... you know, now I don't care. I don't care!" -- Trump, basically admitting that he has no interest in fixing things if the problems benefit him.
That's the scandal here. The hypocrisy of the man, and the betrayal of what he claims to stand for. But we knew this all along. One thing I will say for Trump is that he never denied this (indeed, it was obvious in the debate that he was admitting to paying no taxes, although it was a blink-and-you'd-miss-it admission that Clinton might have done well to draw more attention to).
So on what grounds is a man who has made a livelihood out of abusing US Tax Rules worth trusting to fix them? I'll let Trump himself answer this one, about a separate issue:
"I end up winning Louisiana, and then when everything is done, I find that I get less delegates than this guy who ... got his ass kicked. Give me a break!" -- Trump, complaining about the arcane rules in the Republican nomination.
"You've been hearing me say [the Republican nomination process] is a rigged system, but now I don't say it any more because I won. OK? It's true... you know, now I don't care. I don't care!" -- Trump, basically admitting that he has no interest in fixing things if the problems benefit him.
^ jim has said it all
TTT can you not see the ambiguity in your statement that
'it is the duty of us all to avoid taxation wherever we can, it is the duty of the government to enforce the rules'
Here we have the tax avoider seeking to become the government.
I would say it of the duty of us all to pay the proper amount of tax legally due, that's how governments run countries!
TTT can you not see the ambiguity in your statement that
'it is the duty of us all to avoid taxation wherever we can, it is the duty of the government to enforce the rules'
Here we have the tax avoider seeking to become the government.
I would say it of the duty of us all to pay the proper amount of tax legally due, that's how governments run countries!
// Don't you think you should wait for more information? //
Trump has been actively trying to avoid releasing his tax returns for the whole campaign. The New York Times has only got this information from a leak, not from Trump Industries.
Whilst his tax returns are private, and paying no tax is lawful, it is rather a negative blot on his competency to run the country. He is portrayed as a successful businessman, but in reality he isn't. So if we are waiting for Mr Trump to voluntarily come clean, we are in for a very long wait.
Trump has been actively trying to avoid releasing his tax returns for the whole campaign. The New York Times has only got this information from a leak, not from Trump Industries.
Whilst his tax returns are private, and paying no tax is lawful, it is rather a negative blot on his competency to run the country. He is portrayed as a successful businessman, but in reality he isn't. So if we are waiting for Mr Trump to voluntarily come clean, we are in for a very long wait.
Perhaps as expected ymb and others are busy explaining how this flagrant hypocrisy is in fact a welcome and refreshing change from the previous hypocrisy of other presidents. Everything Trump stands for he is blatantly not. He screams this at every opportunity but the Trumpetters are now so blinkered that ... well, Trump could shoot someone in the street and it would be the victim's fault for getting in the way of the bullet. (Trump actually said this, the first part at least.)
We even have ymb pretending that Trump is the best man to fix a system that he benefits from. yeah... no. Just no. If Trump weren't running for president then this would reflect only on the system, which is of course in urgent need of reform. Trump ain't your guy, though.
We even have ymb pretending that Trump is the best man to fix a system that he benefits from. yeah... no. Just no. If Trump weren't running for president then this would reflect only on the system, which is of course in urgent need of reform. Trump ain't your guy, though.
DT isnt holding anything back, he did say " if hellary shows her 30000 emails then he will show his tax returns.
fairs fair right mikey ?
also, he has done nothing illegal, if he had then dont you think that the IRS would be on his as s mikey ?
just another ignorant thread with no real substance to it.
fairs fair right mikey ?
also, he has done nothing illegal, if he had then dont you think that the IRS would be on his as s mikey ?
just another ignorant thread with no real substance to it.
///just another ignorant thread with no real substance to it. ///
Did you manage to keep your face straight when posting that?
Trump is adept at starting/buying companies accumulating goods and services from smaller supply-companies and then declaring bankruptcy.....thereby causing a knock-on effect of lay-offs and bankruptcies. Every person affected by his sharp practise has a vote.
He can't be both a billionaire and earn so little as to not have to pay tax.....the two are mutually exclusive. He may well have some sort of 'sweetheart' deal with the IRS but that makes him singularly unsuitable to be head of a government which relies on the receipt of taxes to fund the running of the country.
The President, like Caeser's wife....etc. etc.
Did you manage to keep your face straight when posting that?
Trump is adept at starting/buying companies accumulating goods and services from smaller supply-companies and then declaring bankruptcy.....thereby causing a knock-on effect of lay-offs and bankruptcies. Every person affected by his sharp practise has a vote.
He can't be both a billionaire and earn so little as to not have to pay tax.....the two are mutually exclusive. He may well have some sort of 'sweetheart' deal with the IRS but that makes him singularly unsuitable to be head of a government which relies on the receipt of taxes to fund the running of the country.
The President, like Caeser's wife....etc. etc.
Naomi,
Sounds like a conspiracy theory, is it?
You judge...
//
Mr Trump has, by his own admission, deep business connections with Russia.
His carefree ways with other people’s money — including numerous near-bankruptcies in past decades — mean that American banks shun him.
His cash assets, meanwhile, have shrivelled. So where is the money coming from?
The short answer is Russia.
As the leading American newspaper, the Washington Post, reported: ‘Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world.’
Trump’s son, Donald Jnr, boasted to a property industry conference in 2008: ‘Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.’
However, court documents revealed some curious features of Trump-style business practices: mysterious infusions of cash from Russians who were ‘in favour with’ Vladimir Putin; and the involvement of two Russians with highly questionable backgrounds, including criminal convictions and other brushes with the law.
Undaunted, he pursued a range of business interests in Russia, registering his name as a trademark in Moscow, and even licensing it to a distiller which launched a brand called Trump Super Premium Vodka.
Trump’s tax returns could dispel suspicions that he is in hock to Kremlin-friendly gangsters and money-launderers but, in a scandalous breach of normal political practice, he refuses to publish them.
Paul Manafort, his election campaign chairman, has benefited from multi-million-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs.
He was a close adviser to Viktor Yanukovych, the disgraced Ukrainian president who was toppled in 2014.
Yanukovych, who has been dogged by a criminal record and accusations of links to organised crime, is accused in Ukraine of having been in league with Putin.
Even more startling is the behaviour of one of America’s top spymasters, General Michael Flynn, who now advises Donald Trump.
A former head of the Pentagon’s in-house intelligence service, the Defence Intelligence Agency, the wiry, crop-haired spy chief stunned his former colleagues by visiting Moscow in December 2015, where he sat close to Mr Putin at a dinner celebrating the work of RT, the Kremlin’s main foreign propaganda network.
Another foreign policy adviser in the Trump campaign is Carter Page, who has spent much of his career in Russia, where he served a long stint advising Russia’s national gas company Gazprom. //
Sounds like a conspiracy theory, is it?
You judge...
//
Mr Trump has, by his own admission, deep business connections with Russia.
His carefree ways with other people’s money — including numerous near-bankruptcies in past decades — mean that American banks shun him.
His cash assets, meanwhile, have shrivelled. So where is the money coming from?
The short answer is Russia.
As the leading American newspaper, the Washington Post, reported: ‘Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world.’
Trump’s son, Donald Jnr, boasted to a property industry conference in 2008: ‘Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.’
However, court documents revealed some curious features of Trump-style business practices: mysterious infusions of cash from Russians who were ‘in favour with’ Vladimir Putin; and the involvement of two Russians with highly questionable backgrounds, including criminal convictions and other brushes with the law.
Undaunted, he pursued a range of business interests in Russia, registering his name as a trademark in Moscow, and even licensing it to a distiller which launched a brand called Trump Super Premium Vodka.
Trump’s tax returns could dispel suspicions that he is in hock to Kremlin-friendly gangsters and money-launderers but, in a scandalous breach of normal political practice, he refuses to publish them.
Paul Manafort, his election campaign chairman, has benefited from multi-million-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs.
He was a close adviser to Viktor Yanukovych, the disgraced Ukrainian president who was toppled in 2014.
Yanukovych, who has been dogged by a criminal record and accusations of links to organised crime, is accused in Ukraine of having been in league with Putin.
Even more startling is the behaviour of one of America’s top spymasters, General Michael Flynn, who now advises Donald Trump.
A former head of the Pentagon’s in-house intelligence service, the Defence Intelligence Agency, the wiry, crop-haired spy chief stunned his former colleagues by visiting Moscow in December 2015, where he sat close to Mr Putin at a dinner celebrating the work of RT, the Kremlin’s main foreign propaganda network.
Another foreign policy adviser in the Trump campaign is Carter Page, who has spent much of his career in Russia, where he served a long stint advising Russia’s national gas company Gazprom. //
Trump held back his Tax Returns for over a year before he thought to shackle their release to Hillary's emails thing -- which is really just a sneaky excuse never to release his returns. That they are released at all is convention rather than absolute rule; on the other hand, again, the hypocrisy of Trump is breathtaking. As he has done nothing illegal in this he is within his rights to say so and complain about anyone making that assertion. On the other hand he accused Clinton's aide of "taking the fifth" as some sort of shabby underhand scheme to conceal the truth. But that is essentially the exact same thing. Indeed, even more so, because it is an American's constitutional right to "plead the Fifth [Amendment]" and refuse to answer questions if they so wish.
It should also be noted that Clinton apologised in the debate for her irresponsible use of emails and made no excuses. This may not go far enough for some, but then nothing short of lethal injection would be "far enough" for some I think. Compare this, though, with Trump's refusal to apologise for literally anything, be it rudeness, or peddling some stupid birther conspiracy, or for finding loopholes to avoid paying taxes he lambasts others for avoiding in kind.
I can't criticise the man enough. It's a stain on modern politics that he's being seriously considered; even a month out, and after all the dirt that should have stuck to him and buried him, he's still pretty much evens to win in November. Maybe 2/1 against at a pinch. Those foolish enough to give him any credence will find out soon enough how empty his words were should he win, though. It's the only comfort I can draw from this otherwise desperately sad state of affairs. I'll give it a month before the diehards see what they hath wrought.
It should also be noted that Clinton apologised in the debate for her irresponsible use of emails and made no excuses. This may not go far enough for some, but then nothing short of lethal injection would be "far enough" for some I think. Compare this, though, with Trump's refusal to apologise for literally anything, be it rudeness, or peddling some stupid birther conspiracy, or for finding loopholes to avoid paying taxes he lambasts others for avoiding in kind.
I can't criticise the man enough. It's a stain on modern politics that he's being seriously considered; even a month out, and after all the dirt that should have stuck to him and buried him, he's still pretty much evens to win in November. Maybe 2/1 against at a pinch. Those foolish enough to give him any credence will find out soon enough how empty his words were should he win, though. It's the only comfort I can draw from this otherwise desperately sad state of affairs. I'll give it a month before the diehards see what they hath wrought.
Jim, //I can't criticise the man enough.//
Clearly, and yet you say...
//he has done nothing illegal //
Curious.
Well, Tony Blair has done nothing illegal (not been prosecuted anyway) but it is possible, even obligatory, to have utter contempt for the man. Nothing curious about that, and nothing curious about being critical of Trump.
Clearly, and yet you say...
//he has done nothing illegal //
Curious.
Well, Tony Blair has done nothing illegal (not been prosecuted anyway) but it is possible, even obligatory, to have utter contempt for the man. Nothing curious about that, and nothing curious about being critical of Trump.
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