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Apologies for the brief change of subject
but
Khandro, you said
///and the place! The first traffic lights were in the Potsdammer Platz, Berlin, as I recall///
The question you attempted to answer was
{{I'm trying to find the name of the policeman who operated the first traffic light in the UK, in 1868.}}
usually pays to do a little bit of research imo
but
Khandro, you said
///and the place! The first traffic lights were in the Potsdammer Platz, Berlin, as I recall///
The question you attempted to answer was
{{I'm trying to find the name of the policeman who operated the first traffic light in the UK, in 1868.}}
usually pays to do a little bit of research imo
andy-hughes, //Khandro's notion that we can 'laugh' terrorism out of existence - he did encompass the entire Muslim faith…//
Yes, Khandro did encompass the entire Muslim faith. There was no suggestion that “we can laugh terrorism out of existence”.
//Surely it is not Islam that needs to be 'defeated' - whether by ridicule, or some other means - but extremists who use the cloak of faith to prop up their murderous sanctimonious self-aggrandisement.//
Yes, it is Islam that needs to be defeated.
From the link: // Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadan Foundation, says ‘our faith is not to be mocked, our faith is to be celebrated’.//
Sanctimonious self-aggrandisement at its best - and this from a man who represents a legitimate organization. Oddly enough, the proponents of fundamentalist Islam champion the same philosophy - or hadn't you noticed?
Yes, Khandro did encompass the entire Muslim faith. There was no suggestion that “we can laugh terrorism out of existence”.
//Surely it is not Islam that needs to be 'defeated' - whether by ridicule, or some other means - but extremists who use the cloak of faith to prop up their murderous sanctimonious self-aggrandisement.//
Yes, it is Islam that needs to be defeated.
From the link: // Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadan Foundation, says ‘our faith is not to be mocked, our faith is to be celebrated’.//
Sanctimonious self-aggrandisement at its best - and this from a man who represents a legitimate organization. Oddly enough, the proponents of fundamentalist Islam champion the same philosophy - or hadn't you noticed?
webbo3 - //You never saw anyone getting in a hissy fit over Dave Allen or Frank Carsons religious jokes. //
That is because they were of their time, and their time is long gone.
People were not offended by dozens of aspects of cultural output that would outrage people today - simply because society's attitudes change over time.
So really - comparisons like that are invalid because you are not comparing like with like.
That is because they were of their time, and their time is long gone.
People were not offended by dozens of aspects of cultural output that would outrage people today - simply because society's attitudes change over time.
So really - comparisons like that are invalid because you are not comparing like with like.
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webbo3 - //The muslims of the world need to lighten up and ignore a joke. //
We are all rightfully against the notion of Islamic extremists - as opposed to the majority of Muslims - trying to force their view of their faith on us.
On that basis, should we not be wary of doing exactly the same thing, by expecting Muslims en masse to accept our sense of humour when applied to their faith?
We are all rightfully against the notion of Islamic extremists - as opposed to the majority of Muslims - trying to force their view of their faith on us.
On that basis, should we not be wary of doing exactly the same thing, by expecting Muslims en masse to accept our sense of humour when applied to their faith?
Has this chap become the subject of a fatwa? Or indeed charged with breaking any law?
The problem is that nowadays every mortal thing seems get recorded, publicised and talked about. People on all sides start making hyperbolic statements about "defending religion and beliefs", or "freedom to criticise belief systems", etc etc ad nauseam.
IMO what this chap did was an idiotically disrespectful, spur of the moment thing (rather than a piece of actual satire) , but he seems now to realise it as such, has apologised, and that should be the end of the matter. But because it's been preserved for posterity on film, and social media, and there's been so much fuss about it, British gymnastics has to be seen to be doing something.
So I have no time for the noise of either party, I am afraid. Brendan O'Neill is confusing internet babble with something more sinister. A bit like his Spectator colleague Douglas Murray did in a similar article weeks ago (tho it was lack of internet babble that bothered Douglas, as I recall)
The problem is that nowadays every mortal thing seems get recorded, publicised and talked about. People on all sides start making hyperbolic statements about "defending religion and beliefs", or "freedom to criticise belief systems", etc etc ad nauseam.
IMO what this chap did was an idiotically disrespectful, spur of the moment thing (rather than a piece of actual satire) , but he seems now to realise it as such, has apologised, and that should be the end of the matter. But because it's been preserved for posterity on film, and social media, and there's been so much fuss about it, British gymnastics has to be seen to be doing something.
So I have no time for the noise of either party, I am afraid. Brendan O'Neill is confusing internet babble with something more sinister. A bit like his Spectator colleague Douglas Murray did in a similar article weeks ago (tho it was lack of internet babble that bothered Douglas, as I recall)
ichkeria - An excellent point.
What used to be idle pub chatter that never left four walls is now the fodder for unlimited internet outrage for ever and ever.
What is really needed in this age of mass media and mass communication is a well-developed sense of perspective and proportion, to work out what is really important, and needs to be attacked or defended, and what is really just stupidity, and should be ignored as such.
What used to be idle pub chatter that never left four walls is now the fodder for unlimited internet outrage for ever and ever.
What is really needed in this age of mass media and mass communication is a well-developed sense of perspective and proportion, to work out what is really important, and needs to be attacked or defended, and what is really just stupidity, and should be ignored as such.
"What is really needed in this age of mass media and mass communication is a well-developed sense of perspective and proportion, to work out what is really important, and needs to be attacked or defended, and what is really just stupidity, and should be ignored as such."
Andy, you wrote to a business because a pair of slippers offended you.
Andy, you wrote to a business because a pair of slippers offended you.
Randymarsh
\\What is really needed in this age of mass media and mass communication is a well-developed sense of perspective and proportion, to work out what is really important, and needs to be attacked or defended, and what is really just stupidity, and should be ignored as such."
Andy, you wrote to a business because a pair of slippers offended you.//
Brilliant answer.
Dave.
\\What is really needed in this age of mass media and mass communication is a well-developed sense of perspective and proportion, to work out what is really important, and needs to be attacked or defended, and what is really just stupidity, and should be ignored as such."
Andy, you wrote to a business because a pair of slippers offended you.//
Brilliant answer.
Dave.
RandyMarsh - //"What is really needed in this age of mass media and mass communication is a well-developed sense of perspective and proportion, to work out what is really important, and needs to be attacked or defended, and what is really just stupidity, and should be ignored as such."
Andy, you wrote to a business because a pair of slippers offended you. //
A fair point.
I guess we all have our own ideas of what is important and should be challenged.
That said, I am always mindful of the fact that Islam is woven into its adherents' lives.
It is far more important to the majority of them, than Christianity is to the majority of Christians, which in turn is not the majority of people who reckon they should get a sense of humour!
Andy, you wrote to a business because a pair of slippers offended you. //
A fair point.
I guess we all have our own ideas of what is important and should be challenged.
That said, I am always mindful of the fact that Islam is woven into its adherents' lives.
It is far more important to the majority of them, than Christianity is to the majority of Christians, which in turn is not the majority of people who reckon they should get a sense of humour!
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