Looks Like Jimmy K Is Putting Scotland Through It Again.....

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37634338
Phase 2 of the "independence" neverendum!

[naomi24]

^What a shame we can't have two best answers.

[Zacs-Master]

'Scotland is a fiercely independent country'

Well, about 44% of it is.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/results

[anotheoldgit]

Quizmonster

/// Despite that, they are likely to be forced out of it because that's what ENGLAND voted for. ///

And Wales also.

What I have often wondered, if Scotland did get it's independence, would it have it's own armed forces, complete with planes and ships etc.

[ToraToraTora]

/// Despite that, they are likely to be forced out of it because that's what ENGLAND voted for. ///
No that's what the UK voted for. Anyway so what you are saying is the Scotland do not want independence they just want a different dependance?

[murraymints]

ludwig..Scotland DID determine and that answer was NO to separation..Nicola cannot take her ball home because she lost the vote and then want a best of 3...how may times...the more sensible ..and majority of scotland as demonstrated..not heresay..has stated their wants..and Brexit is a UK decicision..we are UK like it or not...getting flipping sick and tired of sheer ignorance on the part of the "braveheart" conitingency..Scotland cannot..CANNOT support itself as an independant nation..I ..personally..worked long hours towards devolution..take it and use it Nicola to benefit this nation..and STOP..trying for self advancement to MY and the nation's detriment !

[murraymints]

ps ..ta TTT XX

[jourdain2]

Hi, Minty!

Well, having just returned from a terrific holiday in the wonderful Borders and having read the newspapers there, I am even more convinced that Ms Sturgeon is punching well above her weight. VOTE FOR MINTY!

We've had a marvellous time. Everyone should have a holiday there - this is my third! Seriously, there was no... definitely no... appetite for another referendum, never mind independence.
Lovely, friendly people; lovely, interesting place.

[EDDIE51]

The 'second referendum' is explained here, the SNP made sure it was in the manifesto for the original referendum.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/alex-salmond-second-scottish-independence-referendum-is-certain
It is triggered if there is a 'substantial and material change ' in the status of the UK. Leaving the EU is a 'substantial and material change' in status.

[Davemano]

Just let her got on with her referendum and hope it does a 'Cameron'.

[-Talbot-]

the SNP made sure it was in the manifesto for the original referendum.


link?

[-Talbot-]

Because EDDIE doesn't appear to be able to do so can anyone shed any light on EDDIE's claim that there was a clause in the first Scottish referendum that allowed them to vote again if there was a

'substantial and material change ' in the status of the UK'


?

[EDDIE51]

Here is yet another link that says the SNP made the 'substantial and material change' clause part of the original independence referendum.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-result-nicola-sturgeon-martin-mcguiness-call-for-scotland-and-northern-ireland-to-stay-a7099911.html
I think the idea that Westminster approval is needed come from the bit where it say 'a border referendum is unlikely to be approved by Westminster'. But that refers to the call for a referendum on having a 'hard border' between Eire and Northern Ireland not the Scottish 2nd referendum! But we will see what happens next week when the SNP publish the manifesto for the 2nd referendum!

[-Talbot-]

Is there anything in that link that backs up what you are saying EDDIE?
I can't be bothered to read another one .

[-Talbot-]

Here is yet another link that says the SNP made the 'substantial and material change' clause part of the original independence referendum.



Where does it say that?

[EDDIE51]

It was widely reported at the time of the original referendum that a second one would be called if there was a substantial change in the UK's position.
Am I the only one who remembers it?

[-Talbot-]

EDDIE51
It was widely reported at the time of the original referendum that a second one would be called if there was a substantial change in the UK's position.
Am I the only one who remembers it?


looks that way.

If it was a clause in the original referendum you should be able to find it. Personally I think you're confused.

[EDDIE51]

Let's just wait till next week and see what happens.