How To Support A Large Family

[Khandro]

Muslim men are allowed 4 wives (and unlimited children) as long as they can support them financially, here's how to do it;

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/724800/Syrian-refugee-Ghazia-A-four-wives-23-children-320000-benefits-germany-Montabaur-Twasif

No problem!

[Gromit]

Khandro,

It's migrants like this that give economic migrants like you a bad name.
I can see why you are cross.

[Khandro]

Gromit; Economic migrant? I've worked and paid taxes in the UK all my life and now take nothing back, and now I pay taxes in Germany, how does that figure?

[fiction-factory]

In the UK you can also support a large family with as many children as you want on state benefits too, and it's available to anyone not just Muslims. Okay the exxtra wives would have to claim independently. Does the same not apply in Germany? I don't think Muslims are given preferential treatment apart from teh extra wife bit. It's just a problem all richer societies like ours and Germany have- our compassion for the less fortunate is often abused and our benefits, rather than being a safety net, become a life style choice for some, rewarding more than work does, and acts as an incentive to have bigger families and get bigger houses than working people can afford. The Muslim angle makes this case more interesting to some though and is the sort of story posters circulate with glee on facebook to others who share an obsession for and dislike of Muslims.

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, //The Muslim angle makes this case more interesting //

There is no other angle. The man has, according to his allowance in Islamic law, four wives - and the state is keeping him - and them.

[fiction-factory]

assume it's the 23 children that make a difference to the estimated benefits level. I don't know of any families of this size here but 10+ isn't unheard of. Stories on here about people abusing the beenfits systems used to focus on Rumanians in the UK but now the focus is on Muslims. After all, we don't want them here, as you remind me sometimes, so it's not really a surprise that posters trawl the news looking for Muslim stories across Europe rather than looking at the much bigger issue of abuse of benefits at home by the indigenous workshy who tend to drain the benefits system of money needed by more deserving cases

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, you didn't like my answer then. OK.

[fiction-factory]

Anyway, Germany is paying for it not us. Maybe if Merkel sees this she would suggest it's not our business. Germany can set its own benefits rules- unless you feel there should be a single benefit system across the EU

[fiction-factory]

Naomi- I doubt the story would be on here if it was a non-Muslim claiming a similar 'estimated' level of benefits in Germany

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, the OP lives and pays taxes in Germany.

[fiction-factory]

So lobbying ABers is is interesting ut not going to change anything -although i can see there is the satisfaction for another opportunity to discuss Muslims

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, //although i can see there is the satisfaction for another opportunity to discuss Muslims //

You've joined in so I guess you find some satisfaction in it. I've never heard it described in those terms though. Interesting.

[New Judge]

In response to another question today I made it quite clear that I believed Islam has no place in Western Europe. I will probably be castigated for it but needless to say I care not a jot.

Raising the “Muslim angle” of this will be seized upon by those who seek to defend that faith. However, if this man was not a Muslim he would not have had four wives (Western Europe generally insists on monogamy). It is fairly unlikely if he had had just the one that he would have had 23 children. So his position (and hence his burden on the State – thankfully not the UK this time) is down to his faith. And I am the one whose views are somehow deemed "unacceptable". Yeah, right!

[fiction-factory]

If he were not a Muslim and not married to the 4 women there could still be 3 single mums and a total of 23 children claiming benefits for the children. The benefits are not being paid because he is a Muslim- they are being paid within the rules . Khandro should campaign for a less generous welfare system and yes of course campaign there for claims to be restricted to one wife and restricted to X children (4, 10) regardless of race/religion.?

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, // If he were not a Muslim and not married to the 4 women there could still be 3 single mums //

But he is - and they aren't. Don't you mind paying for immigrant freeloaders? (I would have restricted that to 'freeloaders' - but we're stuck with our own).

[New Judge]

“If he were not a Muslim and not married to the 4 women there could still be 3 single mums and a total of 23 children claiming benefits for the children.”

Quite true, as is often the case with certain members of society in the UK. Though I would suggest that if he were not a Muslim but was married he would be less likely to have fathered 23 children.

“The benefits are not being paid because he is a Muslim- they are being paid within the rules .”

Again quite true –almost. Since the rules have been raised, having four wives is not within the “rules” that non-Muslim members of western societies have to follow. One is generally the limit. Allowing four “wives” adds an air of respectability to this man’s lifestyle – a lifestyle that is not in the least bit respectable in my view. I imagine Muslim women are not allowed four husbands so why are not the equality zealots jumping up and down. Answer: "it’s ‘cos they’re Muslims, innit and it’s their culture."