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Is there any real threat from Putin or is it all just posturing?
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No. threat.
All the current anti Russia propaganda is because the Russians have amost won in Syrian. The West have lost and all they are able to do is whinge. All they are able to do is scaremonger. Talk of World War III, and Putin is Evil is just sour grapes.
In terms of any threat to the UK, that is nil.
All the current anti Russia propaganda is because the Russians have amost won in Syrian. The West have lost and all they are able to do is whinge. All they are able to do is scaremonger. Talk of World War III, and Putin is Evil is just sour grapes.
In terms of any threat to the UK, that is nil.
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Take this bit of nonsense...
// Russian aggression in the English Channel is like a return to the days of the Cold War, a defence minister has said as he indicated the UK will spend more on the military in the wake of Brexit.
Mike Penning, the Armed Forces minister, said that Russia was “sending a message” by last week sailing an aircraft carrier and seven additional vessels through the Channel on their way to Syria. //
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The Channel are International waters, and Russian ships, Carriers and Frigates have sailed through it many many times. To call it an act of aggression is utterly absurd.
// Russian aggression in the English Channel is like a return to the days of the Cold War, a defence minister has said as he indicated the UK will spend more on the military in the wake of Brexit.
Mike Penning, the Armed Forces minister, said that Russia was “sending a message” by last week sailing an aircraft carrier and seven additional vessels through the Channel on their way to Syria. //
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The Channel are International waters, and Russian ships, Carriers and Frigates have sailed through it many many times. To call it an act of aggression is utterly absurd.
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No threat as far as I can see, unless you are a poor, besieged Syrian, or a Hospital patient in the area, or a child attending school, as can be seen here :::
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Yet another atrocity.
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Yet another atrocity.
Gromit...don't be so condescending !
I get it OK. Assad enlisted the help of Putin, because he couldn't murder enough people, quickly enough.
Putin has tried to pretend that he fighting for Syria...what tosh. He is fighting to obtain a warm-water port and refuge in the Med, and that is all he is doing. He will continue to prop up Assad the Butcher until he obtains what he wants.
I get it OK. Assad enlisted the help of Putin, because he couldn't murder enough people, quickly enough.
Putin has tried to pretend that he fighting for Syria...what tosh. He is fighting to obtain a warm-water port and refuge in the Med, and that is all he is doing. He will continue to prop up Assad the Butcher until he obtains what he wants.
Hi ck1: good question.
Not sure if you are referring specifically to the passing of a (the) Russian aircraft carrier through the English Channel en route to the E Med. That of itself is/was no threat at all - that's the required route after all - and probably won't be a great deal of use when it reaches its destination either, other than as a 'we are here' gesture.
So yes 'posturing'
Russia economically is a comparatively poor country despite its huge potential in natural resources. It has a GDP the size of Hungary, and roughly 25 times smaller than 'The West' combined.
It is however ruled by a criminal kleptocracy, and President Putin does not have to contend with a sceptical parliament or congress to get his way: rather 500-odd nodding dogs in the state Duma. Added to a complicit media especially TV
That does not mean Russia is not a threat though: it is a very real threat, and that is not just because of the stockpile of tactical nuclear warheads : Putin's biggest weapon is us really: will we really fight back if and when he invades the Baltic States? Who wants a nuclear war after all? And who would pass up all that lovely Russian money in London etc ?
It seems pretty clear that he wants to divide Europe, discredit the US and revert to a world where Russia can be a powerful empire in a world of large spheres of influence. That sort of world ended in a conflagration in 1914, and there's every chance, somewhere down the line, that it would do so again. So yes: Russia may not be about to invade Blighty or bomb us from an aircraft carrier, but long term, as long as we allow ourselves to be intimated by a weak illy, well sleepwalk into a bad situation.
Recognising that Russia is not powerful militarily should be the spur for us to act in our own defence, before it's too late.
Not sure if you are referring specifically to the passing of a (the) Russian aircraft carrier through the English Channel en route to the E Med. That of itself is/was no threat at all - that's the required route after all - and probably won't be a great deal of use when it reaches its destination either, other than as a 'we are here' gesture.
So yes 'posturing'
Russia economically is a comparatively poor country despite its huge potential in natural resources. It has a GDP the size of Hungary, and roughly 25 times smaller than 'The West' combined.
It is however ruled by a criminal kleptocracy, and President Putin does not have to contend with a sceptical parliament or congress to get his way: rather 500-odd nodding dogs in the state Duma. Added to a complicit media especially TV
That does not mean Russia is not a threat though: it is a very real threat, and that is not just because of the stockpile of tactical nuclear warheads : Putin's biggest weapon is us really: will we really fight back if and when he invades the Baltic States? Who wants a nuclear war after all? And who would pass up all that lovely Russian money in London etc ?
It seems pretty clear that he wants to divide Europe, discredit the US and revert to a world where Russia can be a powerful empire in a world of large spheres of influence. That sort of world ended in a conflagration in 1914, and there's every chance, somewhere down the line, that it would do so again. So yes: Russia may not be about to invade Blighty or bomb us from an aircraft carrier, but long term, as long as we allow ourselves to be intimated by a weak illy, well sleepwalk into a bad situation.
Recognising that Russia is not powerful militarily should be the spur for us to act in our own defence, before it's too late.
// He is fighting TO OBTAIN a warm-water port and refuge in the Med, //
The Russians have been at the Tartus Meditteranean port in Syria for 45 years. Of course they are fighting to not lose it, not to obtain it. You are right that it is important. The main reason the CIA have invested hundreds of millions of dollars in Islamic terrorists in Syria, is to deny access to Tartus for the Russians.
The civil war in Syria would never have started in Syria wothout US encouragement. And the bloody 5 year war would never have happened without the West arming the rebels. But finally, IS and the other extremists are being beaten and pushed out. The war is nearly over (the flotilla is to help with the final push) and Syrians can get their country back from the murderous extremists.
The Russians have been at the Tartus Meditteranean port in Syria for 45 years. Of course they are fighting to not lose it, not to obtain it. You are right that it is important. The main reason the CIA have invested hundreds of millions of dollars in Islamic terrorists in Syria, is to deny access to Tartus for the Russians.
The civil war in Syria would never have started in Syria wothout US encouragement. And the bloody 5 year war would never have happened without the West arming the rebels. But finally, IS and the other extremists are being beaten and pushed out. The war is nearly over (the flotilla is to help with the final push) and Syrians can get their country back from the murderous extremists.
Ick,
// Russia economically is a comparatively poor country despite its huge potential in natural resources. It has a GDP the size of Hungary //
Was that a mistake? Disinformation? Or just a lie?
Russia GDP $1,267,750 millions - World ranking = 12th
Hungary GDP $117,065 millions - World ranking = 58th
// Russia economically is a comparatively poor country despite its huge potential in natural resources. It has a GDP the size of Hungary //
Was that a mistake? Disinformation? Or just a lie?
Russia GDP $1,267,750 millions - World ranking = 12th
Hungary GDP $117,065 millions - World ranking = 58th
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