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Warning As Hundreds Of Jailed Terrorists Back On Uk Streets
//Around three-quarters of the 583 people imprisoned on terror charges in the years since the 9/11 attacks have now served their sentences and been released from UK prisons, many still holding the same extremist beliefs that got them jailed in the first place. Sky News has been told that around two-thirds of those released refused to engage with prison deradicalisation programmes aimed at addressing their extremist behaviour.//
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Since these people still pose a serious danger to society, should special measures be implemented in order that their prison sentences may be extended indefinitely?
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Since these people still pose a serious danger to society, should special measures be implemented in order that their prison sentences may be extended indefinitely?
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// My point is aimed at Naomi's assertion that because some convicted terrorists have refused de-radicalisation programmes, they remain a threat. //
A refusal to engage in the programme is indeed a threat. It's tantamount to saying 'I have no remorse and no intention to change the behaviour that got me here in the first place. I intend to pick up where I left off when I get out'.
These are the ones that shouldn't be released in my opinion, because they are stupid (or honest) enough to have effectively admitted they are still dangerous.
However, you are right - the ones that DO engage in de-radicalisation programmes can't be trusted either. These are the ones that I believe should be released, and monitored. - which I'd be amazed isn't happening anyway, so no extra expense to worry about.
A refusal to engage in the programme is indeed a threat. It's tantamount to saying 'I have no remorse and no intention to change the behaviour that got me here in the first place. I intend to pick up where I left off when I get out'.
These are the ones that shouldn't be released in my opinion, because they are stupid (or honest) enough to have effectively admitted they are still dangerous.
However, you are right - the ones that DO engage in de-radicalisation programmes can't be trusted either. These are the ones that I believe should be released, and monitored. - which I'd be amazed isn't happening anyway, so no extra expense to worry about.
Ludwig - my apologies, I removed your duplicate post, and it has registered as 'post removed' which may infer that someone has posted something which contravenes the rules.
I can only assume that someone at the top end is removing your duplicates, and they don't leave a message behind when they do so.
I can only assume that someone at the top end is removing your duplicates, and they don't leave a message behind when they do so.
andy-hughes at 13:12. Some facile example. Sickening.
//Naomi's assertion that because some convicted terrorists have refused de-radicalisation programmes, they remain a threat.
I think that is a flawed argument.//
That is not my assertion. They do not remain a threat solely because they have refused deradicalisation programmes. They remain a threat because they still hold the extremist beliefs that got them jailed in the first place. Read the OP.
//Naomi's assertion that because some convicted terrorists have refused de-radicalisation programmes, they remain a threat.
I think that is a flawed argument.//
That is not my assertion. They do not remain a threat solely because they have refused deradicalisation programmes. They remain a threat because they still hold the extremist beliefs that got them jailed in the first place. Read the OP.
YMB - that is a standard argument used when anyone appears to side with terrorists or criminals.
I assure you that I don't - and my position would not be altered by personal experience, which I am happy to say that I don't have.
We are talking concepts and opinions here, not direct experience, but I don't believe my view would change anyway.
On the thread about safe places for drug addicts, ummm suggested that I would not think the same way if I had had my house burgled by a junkie - the same argument you make.
As I confirmed to her, I have had my house burgled by a junky, eight months ago - it has not altered my position on drug treatment.
I assure you that I don't - and my position would not be altered by personal experience, which I am happy to say that I don't have.
We are talking concepts and opinions here, not direct experience, but I don't believe my view would change anyway.
On the thread about safe places for drug addicts, ummm suggested that I would not think the same way if I had had my house burgled by a junkie - the same argument you make.
As I confirmed to her, I have had my house burgled by a junky, eight months ago - it has not altered my position on drug treatment.
Naomi - you wish to be 'sickened' because you want to occupy the moral high ground because you believe that you are right. I doubt anyone else will have a vested interest in missing the point I made - if so they are welcome to come on here and be 'sickened' as well, and I will discuss it with them - until then, you remain in splendid overwrought isolation.
//They remain a threat because they still hold the extremist beliefs that got them jailed in the first place. //
Prove it.
//Read the OP. //
I have.
//They remain a threat because they still hold the extremist beliefs that got them jailed in the first place. //
Prove it.
//Read the OP. //
I have.
andy-hughes, //you wish to be 'sickened' because you want to occupy the moral high ground//
I do not wish to be sickened – I just am by people who make disgustingly thoughtless comments.
//They remain a threat because they still hold the extremist beliefs that got them jailed in the first place. //
Prove it.//
I don’t have to prove it. I trust the judgement of the security services who feel it essential to continue to monitor them.
I do not wish to be sickened – I just am by people who make disgustingly thoughtless comments.
//They remain a threat because they still hold the extremist beliefs that got them jailed in the first place. //
Prove it.//
I don’t have to prove it. I trust the judgement of the security services who feel it essential to continue to monitor them.
Naomi - //I do not wish to be sickened – I just am by people who make disgustingly thoughtless comments. //
Me too, but you have known me long enough and well enough on here to know that my posts are never thoughtless!
Verbose, sarcastic, OTT, humorous, opinionated, compassionate, passionate, all those and more, but thoughtless?
Never!
Me too, but you have known me long enough and well enough on here to know that my posts are never thoughtless!
Verbose, sarcastic, OTT, humorous, opinionated, compassionate, passionate, all those and more, but thoughtless?
Never!
//They remain a threat because they still hold the extremist beliefs that got them jailed in the first place. //
Prove it.//
I suggest you watch the News where even Muslim's have said it. Even if it was not plastered all over the News it is simple common sense that if you do not undo the brainwashing things will not change.
Prove it.//
I suggest you watch the News where even Muslim's have said it. Even if it was not plastered all over the News it is simple common sense that if you do not undo the brainwashing things will not change.
YMB - That rather presupposes that 'de-radicalisation' works - which I seriously doubt.
As I have pointed out earlier, if I believed my faith required me to murder innocent civilians in a foreign country, I doubt I would be convinced otherwise by the trick-cycling of the enemy country's white coats!
As I have pointed out earlier, if I believed my faith required me to murder innocent civilians in a foreign country, I doubt I would be convinced otherwise by the trick-cycling of the enemy country's white coats!
YMB - No, that's actually just your problem.
You obviously have not been paying attention - if you work back through my posts anywhere on the site since Monday, I think I have C & P'd once only - you are going to have to find something else to be irritated about.
In case you missed my message to you on my JD And The Straight Shot thread in music – please allow me to repeat it for your convenience –
// divebuddy – Do you actually have anything useful in response to the OP, which is to listen to the song, and offer a view if you feel like it –
Or are you sticking to your default position of jumping on the sniping bandwagon and putting your inaccurate ten pence worth in as usual?
You’ve told me twice previously that you are going to ignore my posts – any chance of you starting now? //
I know that’s cutting and pasting, but since this is hopefully the last time you address me directly, hopefully you can swallow it just one more time.
You obviously have not been paying attention - if you work back through my posts anywhere on the site since Monday, I think I have C & P'd once only - you are going to have to find something else to be irritated about.
In case you missed my message to you on my JD And The Straight Shot thread in music – please allow me to repeat it for your convenience –
// divebuddy – Do you actually have anything useful in response to the OP, which is to listen to the song, and offer a view if you feel like it –
Or are you sticking to your default position of jumping on the sniping bandwagon and putting your inaccurate ten pence worth in as usual?
You’ve told me twice previously that you are going to ignore my posts – any chance of you starting now? //
I know that’s cutting and pasting, but since this is hopefully the last time you address me directly, hopefully you can swallow it just one more time.
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