British Muslims See The Uk As 75 Per Cent Islamic.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3998166/Isolated-British-Muslims-cut-rest-society-UK-75-cent-Islamic-shock-report-reveals.html

/// However, figures from the 2011 Census put the actual proportion of Muslims in England and Wales at under five per cent, while Christians account for nearly 60 per cent. ///

Yer!! like they all filled in their census forms.

[RATTER15]

None around my neck of the woods, well none making their religion obvious anyway, not seen anybody in a burka for months. I think someone is talking out of their bottom!

[Zacs-Master]

See the bit about questionnaire tracking:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/2011census/howourcensusworks/howwetookthe2011census

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

Forgot to add the word correctly.

i.e. 3 living at address but actually 8 living at the address.

[Zacs-Master]

What would you estimate the Muslim pop to be?

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// What would you estimate the Muslim pop to be? ///

I will leave that to the experts, they say the UK is 75% Islamic.

[Zacs-Master]

Erm....no they don't. The DM is saying Muslims believe that the UK is 75% Muslim. The experts (ONS) say it's 5%.

[New Judge]

“None around my neck of the woods, well none making their religion obvious anyway, not seen anybody in a burka for months. I think someone is talking out of their bottom!”

You need to get out more, Ratter!

“What would you estimate the Muslim pop to be?”

That isn’t the issue highlighted by the report. The issue is that so isolated are many Muslims that they believe the UK to be around 75% Muslim. I have posted details of my experiences many times on AB, but if anyone doubts that segregation and “ghettoization” is not rife then they, like Ratter, also need to get out and about.

[-Talbot-]

Do you actually believe the statistic, AOG?

[THECORBYLOON]

Muslims do not correctly complete their Census returns? As you are not an expert, what is that belief based upon?

[Zacs-Master]

I know it's not the issue highlighted in the report but AOG proffers the idea that the census statistics are incorrect. I was addressing this.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// Erm....no they don't. The DM is saying Muslims believe that the UK is 75% Muslim. The experts (ONS) say it's 5%. ///

Erm... get your facts right.

Not the Mail or even the Sunday Times are saying that, they are just reporting that the major review says that.

*** A major review by Dame Louise Casey says isolated Muslims believe the UK is 75 per cent Islamic ***

[Zacs-Master]

The major review found that Muslims believe that the UK is 75% Muslim. The Mail have reported this. Your last comment in the OP suggests that Muslims don't fill out census reports correctly which led me to ask what you think the true figure is. Why postulate that the figures are incorrect but not have some facts to back that up? It's the definition of predjudice AOG

'preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.'

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, do you not know the difference between fact and perception?

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

/// ANOTHEOLDGIT, do you not know the difference between fact and perception? ///

Perhaps you should be asking the British Muslims that?

[New Judge]

There is no evidence that Muslim households fail to complete their Census returns (either at all or correctly). In 2001 there were just 43 successful prosecutions for failing to comply. In 2011 it was said that some 400 prosecutions were “being attempted”. I cannot find out how many were successful. In any case, not a huge number among 25 million or so households and no indication how many were Muslims.

I believe the Census details are incorrect and not only in this respect. There are huge numbers of people in the UK with no entitlement to be here. None of them will appear on the census. There are also large numbers of people (particularly men residing with “single” women) who will also not appear. There are many people who, for all sorts of reasons, do not wish to engage with the authorities and/or do not want anybody to know where they are. They either fail to complete a census return or ensure they are not included on anybody else’s. In fact, so little confidence have the authorities in the accuracy of the census that some reports suggest that the 2011 effort may be the last (although inaccuracy is not the reason given):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10584385

There is no reason to believe that Muslim people are any less likely to be among these people left off the count for various reasons. It is for that reason that I believe that there are far more people in the country than is shown by the census and, by extension, far more Muslims. Whether the percentage of Muslims is higher than stated is open to argument. It depends on the religious make up of the defaulters and, of course, that is not known.

[Zacs-Master]

Hey AOG, hand me that shovel.

[RATTER15]

New judge, why do I need to get out more? I said it like it is! You have a stroll around my area of mid Wales and see how many Muslims you see wearing a burka, most likely none at all.

[Zacs-Master]

NJ,'Whether the percentage of Muslims is higher than stated is open to argument' no it's not, it's down to cold hard facts.

UK population 63 million.

5% of 63m = 3150000
75% = 47.25m.

[anotheoldgit]

Zacs-Master

/// Hey AOG, hand me that shovel. ///

What for? I think you have dug your hole plenty deep enough.

[Zacs-Master]

You've just given BA to someone who's pointed out your assertion that Muslims didn't fill out their census forms correctly has no factual base. Have a lie down in a darkened room.