Why Do The Lgbt Lobby Unnecessarily Try To Create Offence?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4047750/This-blasphemous-attempt-rewrite-Christmas-story-Christian-campaign-group-slam-gay-tree-ornament-showing-nativity-scene-two-JOSEPHS.html

[anneasquith]

£13, for a piece of tat .

[Kromovaracun]

naomi:

I imagine you and I are of the same view on this - which is that no religions (Christian, Islamic or otherwise) can expect to be free from mockery in a free society or entitled to impose themselves or their standards on anyone else.

I readily accept that the followers of the two faiths are not equally as aggressive on this. But the thread happens to be focused on a case where a particular kind of Christian are the ones being entitled offense-seekers.

[Kromovaracun]

Well sure.

But there are also more liberal believers who don't. For all you know, this artist might be a devout Christian who happens to have a sense of humour.

Point is, it's not the "LGBT lobby" (lol) that has gone looking for trouble here.

[DaisyNonna]

Peace and Goodwill to all People

[Booldawg]

Its easy; Christianity is an easy target as you can be controversial without fearing for your life.

[naomi24]

Krom, //But the thread happens to be focused on a case where a particular kind of Christian are the ones being entitled offense-seekers. //

But according to most of the responses here they are not entitled.

[Kromovaracun]

I guess most of the responses are wrong, then. Perish the thought! ;)

[naomi24]

Krom, if people want to see a level playing field many of those responses are wrong.

[Kromovaracun]

1) Calling yourself "Pride and More"does not mean you are part of a lobbying organisation. It also doesn't mean you aren't a Christian.

2) Why should he care about offending "some" Christians? If they don't like them, they are not obliged to buy them. Clearly these trinkets are for people who want unusual Christmas decorations. I hate to break it to you but nobody owns copyrught on the nativity scene. Artists are free to do what they want with it... And if you're offended, then din't buy it.

[Kromovaracun]

Divebuddy, do you know what lobbying is? Because "selling stuff on the internet" is not part of the conventional definition.

[naomi24]

I think there are double standards in evidence here.

[Kromovaracun]

What double standards?

Also, brilliant rebuttal there divebuddy. Truly outstanding.

Do you think every gay person is a member of the LGBT lobby? Or do you think it would be more reasonable to include LGBT people who actually carry out lobbying?

[naomi24]

Krom, You’re telling people not to buy these things if they don’t like them but would you have told that gay couple who sued the Christian owners of a B&B to look for a different hotel rather than make a fuss? I’m guessing you supported their action - and that amounts to double standards.

[Mamyalynne]

Of course 'Christian Concern' are entitled to be offended - I feel it is a waste of effort though. Just carry on being Christian.


I've thought about the images in the article and gone through in my mind who amongst all I know who are Christian and today for the most part none of them would bat an eyelid.

If I think about the generations before, I can certainly think of some who would have been quite upset by it.

In the same way we scan the company in the room before we tell a joke to be aware of who we may offend, the same can be said of things like this.

Lots of sites have things on offer I'd never buy but I don't write to the company complaining of their stock.

As the Artist is unlikely to be a follower of Islam he is highly unlikely to have produced an image that would depict their religion in such a way, knowing full well the reaction and equally knowing it wouldn't sell.

[Kromovaracun]

You're right, I would have supported their action. It's not a double standard though, because they were denied service on illegal grounds by people attempting to foist their religion on others.

In this case, we once again have a gay person quietly selling his own wares, when suddenly a particular group of Christians feel the need to stick their nose in. Nobody is being denied service, nobody is breaking the law, nobody is infringing on anyone else. It's just one group acting like a bunch of theocratic bullies.

Naomi, all your argument really comes down to in either case is, "I don't like it." You don't seem to like that Christian B&B owners are not allowed to refuse gay people service when they have already made arrangements to stay with them, and you don't happen to like this artist's trinkets. Sorry, not good enough.