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Can The UK Recover?
Please define what a recovery would look like to you in your comments.
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- No - 55 votes
- 68%
- Yes - 26 votes
- 32%
Stats until: 11:12 Thu 21st Nov 2024 (Refreshed every 5 minutes)
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mikey4444
/// AOG....you are correct to a certain point. At the age of 7, I had yet to develop the irrational fear of strangers, and the rampant racism that came with it. ///
I would have thought that your parents should have taught you to be wary of strangers well before the age of 7, and just for interest were all your strangers of a different race, because I don't think that the "fear of white strangers" could possibly be described as 'rampant racism'.
/// But I was correct in refuting your implication that I had no experience of life in the 50's. ///
/// Just a few years earlier, my Dad, and Irishman had to cope with with boarding houses in London, who displayed signs saying :: ///
No Blacks
No Dogs
No Irish ///
Ah! that old chestnut again, did your dad actually sit you on his knee, after he had come back from the Labour Club and tell you about those notices?
Do you know, I travelled around the country quite a bit in those days, yet can honestly say that I never came across any of those notices.
/// AOG....you are correct to a certain point. At the age of 7, I had yet to develop the irrational fear of strangers, and the rampant racism that came with it. ///
I would have thought that your parents should have taught you to be wary of strangers well before the age of 7, and just for interest were all your strangers of a different race, because I don't think that the "fear of white strangers" could possibly be described as 'rampant racism'.
/// But I was correct in refuting your implication that I had no experience of life in the 50's. ///
/// Just a few years earlier, my Dad, and Irishman had to cope with with boarding houses in London, who displayed signs saying :: ///
No Blacks
No Dogs
No Irish ///
Ah! that old chestnut again, did your dad actually sit you on his knee, after he had come back from the Labour Club and tell you about those notices?
Do you know, I travelled around the country quite a bit in those days, yet can honestly say that I never came across any of those notices.
Islay, I’ve no doubt that the signs regarding blacks, Irishmen and dogs did exist, but all’s well now. They’ve been replaced.
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mikey4444
/// Its quite clear what AOG is saying here. He is insisting that only much older people than me can possibly be qualified to give an opinion on immigration. ///
And where have I insisted that?
All I have been saying is the fact of what life was like before mass migration that being from the late 40s into the 50s.
No one is stopping you from giving an opinion on immigration from the time you became old enough to voice that opinion.
/// Perhaps its my fault, by mentioning the 50's...... ///
I can't debate on what you should have said mikey, it was you who mentioned the 50s and then tied it up with immigration.
/// I should have just said the 60's but he would have found another way to disparage the argument. ///
Yes but you didn't did you, and yes I might have given you an argument on the subject of the 60's but would never set out to disparage one, only you can do that when you have lost the argument.
/// Its quite clear what AOG is saying here. He is insisting that only much older people than me can possibly be qualified to give an opinion on immigration. ///
And where have I insisted that?
All I have been saying is the fact of what life was like before mass migration that being from the late 40s into the 50s.
No one is stopping you from giving an opinion on immigration from the time you became old enough to voice that opinion.
/// Perhaps its my fault, by mentioning the 50's...... ///
I can't debate on what you should have said mikey, it was you who mentioned the 50s and then tied it up with immigration.
/// I should have just said the 60's but he would have found another way to disparage the argument. ///
Yes but you didn't did you, and yes I might have given you an argument on the subject of the 60's but would never set out to disparage one, only you can do that when you have lost the argument.
## It's not about recover, because recover is the wrong word I think. ##
.........I agree.
Ed, if you are asking, is the UK in a mess, the answer is YES!
If you are asking, will it get out of the mess, the answer is, NO!
Its a bit like asking: Will the planet ever recover for the pollution we have caused?....NEVER.
.........I agree.
Ed, if you are asking, is the UK in a mess, the answer is YES!
If you are asking, will it get out of the mess, the answer is, NO!
Its a bit like asking: Will the planet ever recover for the pollution we have caused?....NEVER.
ummmm
/// AOG - My son is going to uni to study history. Does the fact he hasn't lived through the eras he'll be studying make him unqualified to have an opinion? ///
I didn't say anyone is unqualified to voice an option on any subject they care to, simply that a person with actual first hand experience of that subject is more qualified to do so.
Leaning a subject from history books or history lecturers can alter over the years, the writing of history can be questioned at any time and we all know that the teaching of such history can vary according to the political leanings of the lecturers or what is the current climate's interpretation of it is.
It will not be the first time that history has been re-written.
/// AOG - My son is going to uni to study history. Does the fact he hasn't lived through the eras he'll be studying make him unqualified to have an opinion? ///
I didn't say anyone is unqualified to voice an option on any subject they care to, simply that a person with actual first hand experience of that subject is more qualified to do so.
Leaning a subject from history books or history lecturers can alter over the years, the writing of history can be questioned at any time and we all know that the teaching of such history can vary according to the political leanings of the lecturers or what is the current climate's interpretation of it is.
It will not be the first time that history has been re-written.
Islay
/// Naomi, I know they existed it is AOG that you need to tell that they existed ///
I didn't say that they didn't exist, I just said that during my travels I never came across one. It would have been a lie, if not misleading, to say that they existed when I hadn't actually seen one.
What is your response to Naomi's link, by the way?
/// Naomi, I know they existed it is AOG that you need to tell that they existed ///
I didn't say that they didn't exist, I just said that during my travels I never came across one. It would have been a lie, if not misleading, to say that they existed when I hadn't actually seen one.
What is your response to Naomi's link, by the way?
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