Shots Fired

[Jackdaw33]

...outside parliament. Place reportedly in lockdown. No further details yet.

[naomi24]

allen at 10:49 is, like so many others, is incapable of discussing the message and so resorts to attacking the messenger. His post is not worthy of a considered response.

[Togo]

8 arrests in connection with the murders in Westminster.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/westminster-terror-attack-seven-arrests-made-following-raids-birmingham-london-1613236

[emmie]

that piece by Katie Hopkins needs a further outing, an abysmal truth indeed.

[Gromit]

Togo,
Arresting family and friends is standard procedure, so they can question them at length and under caution. It does not mean 8 people are implicated in the crime.

[Togo]

Haha a "witness for the defence" within minutes.

[andy-hughes]

emmie - //that piece by Katie Hopkins needs a further outing, an abysmal truth indeed. //

The 'abysmal' bit covers what it is perfectly.

[emmie]

andy hughes
that is not how it was meant, and i guess you know that.

[New Judge]

"And so the barmy army of right wing lunatics march on, the strains of some much older marching song ringing in their ears, smiles unwavering, brains unthinking,..."

The second time (that I know of) this week, allen. People who disagree with your opinion or viewpoint are not necessarily unthinking, lacking in thought or unable to form a reasoned opinion. Not everybody thinks like you (or me). We do not all draw the same conclusions. But it does not mean we've given the matter (whatever it might be) no thought. You are in danger of having your comments simply ignored (and I'm close to that now) because instead of putting forward reasoned arguments for discussion you simply dismiss out of hand, as "unthinking", anybody who has the temerity to not share your view.

[naomi24]

I see no reasoned argument from Katie Hopkins’ critics either. In the last couple of pages alone her work is described as ‘abysmal’, and she, personally, as ‘that hate mongering woman’. Would someone care to explain what actually is so inaccurate about her article?

[Togo]

I'm not sure he is even composing the posts Judge. They appear to be much less prone to syntax gaffs than previous attempts at being dismissive.

[Jackdaw33]

I see nothing wrong either. The more I read her the more I warm to her. She says what people like me are thinking.

[emmie]

naomi i meant abysmal truth, perhaps that isn't easily explained. I found the article truthful and sad. Going on the fact that many don't want to see, or know what is under their noses and this makes me angry.

[Baldric]

Just read it, can't see anything wrong with it, as usual she tells it the way it is.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //Would someone care to explain what actually is so inaccurate about her article? //

Personally I have not referred to the veracity of the facts in Ms. Hopkins piece, merely the handwringing 'I feel this more than any of you' soppy pseudo-emotional 'Let's over-state the obvious again for the thickies ...' approach to the way she writes.

As I said, I could dash that off in ten minutes, it's just random knee-jerk thoughts to chime with the random knee-jerk thoughts of her readership.

It's like drawing a picture of a horse and then writing the word 'horse' underneath it.

It's unoriginal, maudlin, soppy, badly composed tat - so really, no change there.

[Togo]

Bet I could "draw a picture". But it wouldn't have horse written under it.

[anotheoldgit]

Breaking news, it's official:

/// ISIS have claimed the British-born 'lone wolf' jihadist who killed three and injured at least 29 in yesterday's Westminster attack was part of their terror group. ///

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4340858/Armed-police-seal-Birmingham-ongoing-incident.html

[Gromit]

// Haha a "witness for the defence" within minutes. //

Togo,
You should read this
// The overwhelming majority of people arrested for alleged terrorism offences over the past 15 years have been freed without charge or conviction, official figures show.

Fewer than two in 10 people detained by police since September 2001 were convicted directly of terrorism or a terrorism-related offence.

The figures released by the Home Office showed that 3,349 people in England and Wales were arrested under terrorism laws since the 9/11 attacks on the US.

Of those arrested for terrorism and related offences, 17.8% were convicted in relation to involvement in violent jihad, for instance plotting attacks, funding or facilitating. //

So pointing out that 17.8% of arrests become convictions is not defending anyone, it is stating a fact that 8 people arrested does not mean 8 terrorsts caught.

[Gromit]

AOG

Just because ISIS say it does mot mean it is 'Official' or true. Best not to instantly believe terrorists.

ISIS have a lot to gain propaganda wise by claiming responsibilty even if they had nowt to do with it. It only becomes 'Official' when the Security Services and Government confirm it.

[NoMercy]

Has Silly Lily given her considered opinion on Twitter yet, weeping pixels for the poor chap shot by the police?

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //Personally I have not referred to the veracity of the facts in Ms. Hopkins piece//

I know you haven't. That's the point I'm making. Rather than offer a reasoned critique of the content of her work, which would be a far better way to discredit her, you restrict your comments to personal attacks.