In The Light Of Wednesdays Brexit Outcome

[emmie]

aren't all these people just wasting their time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-39392584

[ummmm]

I think so, yes.

[emmie]

at least they did something right

'A minute's silence to remember the victims of the Westminster attack was held ahead of speeches at a rally in Parliament Square.'

[mushroom25]

probably to have any effect for their cause, they'll need to start throwing things, like to poll tax protesters did in 1990.

[emmie]

i always wonder that these things don't kick off, there must be Brexiteers around to challenge their thinking. Nick Clegg seems to get everywhere these days, isn't he a remainer?

[Samjenko]

Yes, they're in total denial. (and pathetic)

[New Judge]

yes they are wasting their time.

I can't help wondering, had the result been 52:48 to remain, whether there would be hoards of people marching down Whitehall demanding the electorate and/or the government have a rethink. I think not somehow. I imagine we would just have soldiered on as if nothing had happened and Mr Cameron would have been in Brussels yesterday signing the "ever closer" accord on our behalf (after scoffing his slice of EU Birthday cake).

[sp1814]

New Judge

Indeed it would be illuminating to hear what UKIP would have actually done had the vote been 52/48 to remain.

Perhaps they would have followed the lead by Nigel Farage who said that a narrow 52/48 vote to remain would lead to calls for a second referendum.

It's odd that those who voted to leave have forgotten this.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/remember-that-time-nigel-farage-said-52-48-votes-should-lead-to-second-referendum-5963900/

[ichkeria]

I was just about to mention what sp has just referred to re Farage and the 52% !

Although Brexit may happen, there are, it ought surely to be obvious even to some here by now, that it could take many forms.

[emmie]

ich
it might, we will have to see.

[mushroom25]

they could of course be marching in support of the "three fifths of five eighths of f-all" argument often put forward on this forum, which holds that those who didn't vote were actually voting for the status quo.

[New Judge]

I doubt Mr Farage's suggestion would have been taken on board by anybody and I doubt extremely that people would have taken to the streets in support.

Proper Brexit does not have many forms. It means the UK behaving like a normal (non-EU) sovereign nation. It means the total disassociation from the EU, all its institutions and the influence of its legislation. If a trade deal can be cobbled together all well and good, but if not it is not the end of the world.

[Islay]

The wonderful thing about the uk is the right to protest! So no need to call people pathetic for not agreeing with your way of thinking!!

[emmie]

but the deal is almost done, so in my eyes they are not pathetic, i didn't say that, but they are protesting against something that can't be changed.

[sp1814]

NJ

Proper Brexit doesn't have any specific form because it's never been done before.

We are stepping into the unknown and there are dozens, if not hundreds of questions that now need answers. It's not just trade deals.

How do we effectively compensate Cornwall and West Wales with the loss of the EU Structural and Investment Fund?

Will we be able to strike favourable deals with EU nations in the short term to guarantee the 3.1 million jobs which are linked to trade in the region?

If we shut down free labour movement, we could see a reduction in unemployment - or would we? Would we fall back on the visa system? How would that be implemented? What reciprocal arrangements need to be established?

What happens to ex-pats? Will they still be able to receive medical treatment in EU countries? Would their tax status change?

Will we drop the EU consumer protection rights? Will they be enforceable?

What happens to our access to the European energy, transport and digital service markets?

Some people have cited the Norway example of what we could be after leaving the EU.

However, that arrangement would still cost Britain over £31bn a year, but with no vote on EU rules, because if we wanted to trade with Europe without being in the EU, we would have to sign up to become a member of the EEA.

All of the above can (and will) be overcome, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that it's going to be easy, or straightforward.

[sp1814]

emmie

The deal is no where near done yet.

Negotiations have not even started.

This is going to take years. Where we are right now is as a couple who have decided to divorce.

The couple may have seen their respective lawyers, but it doesn't mean the divorce has been finalised, because no-one has yet decided who gets custody of the kids and the dog, and visitation rights, and what happens with the house, and who will be attending Karen's wedding in March (and will new partners be invited) and who has the kids on which days at Christmas, and how much alimony is due.

The deal is far from done.

[whiskeryron]

What a load of hows your father. Quite simple, we stop paying billions to a very corrupt EU, say goodbye & kiss my arris.

[emmie]

come Wednesday then the deal is ongoing, doesn't matter how you term it, we are going to go forward. Yes its a long process but in the end we should get out of a fraying EU.

[Old_Geezer]

Nothing needs to be nor are entitled to be compensated. Anyone who feels that they need to continue suckling at the teat of the EU, that is being presently resourced by member country's money anyway, can go begging to the EU for charity if they wish. Deals struck for after Brexit are,by definition, after Brexit and not part of Brexit. Brexit need not have been done previously in order to see what few options are available. One leaves the EU and regains control of one's nation once more: that's about it. Then one has an incentive to make a go at ensuring a successful future by agreeing deals worldwide.

[Zacs-Master]

See^^^^^. It's all going to be sooooo simple.

[ichkeria]

I can see that the EU may start offering rights and EU citizenship to Britons after Brexit
Which will make things even messier.
What is unfolding is s classic illustration of a 'simple' referendum matter not being quite so simple after all. 'Pulling the trigger' of Article 50 is actually more like lighting the blue touchpaper to a booby trapped can of worms.