Why Do Labour Have Such A Problem With Israel?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39443891
It is common knowledge that prior to WWII Hitler was sympathetic with the idea of an Israeli homeland so why is that such an anathema to Labour?

[Peter Pedant]

the fact that Hitler seemed pro-British Empire ( and very pro Duke of Windsor )in the thirties doesnt negate the fact we fought a disastrous war with germany 1939-45

the Germans supported the Madagascar Plan didnt they ? {yes]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

but that doesnt mean Trblinka etc never happened

[ToraToraTora]

yes but all read Ken is reporting is the attitude at the time, yet he is in hot water!

[Peter Pedant]

No he is reporting it as a settled attitude
and actually NOT putting it in historical context

david Irving is the prime expositor of taking facts out of context and making things of them - they dont warrant

[anotheoldgit]

Are they not also a National Socialist Party?

[naomi24]

TTT, Hitler didn’t have an Israeli ‘homeland’ in mind at all – he just planned to send all the Jews to live in Palestine, so Ken Livingstone is wrong to say that Hitler was a Zionist. He wasn’t. Labour has a problem with Israel because they believe that, morally, it shouldn’t exist – and they’re right really. That said, it does exist and it’s not going away, so Labour should accept that and move on – but as always Labour never moves on.

[ToraToraTora]

"he just planned to send all the Jews to live in Palestine," - err where they are now you mean? would that not constitute a homeland?

[naomi24]

No. At that time the land that we now call Israel was called Palestine and was home to the Palestinians. Hitler had no thoughts of establishing a Jewish 'homeland'. He wasn't a Zionist.

[kvalidir]

and it's a rare and fabulous moment where I agree completely and entirely with Naomi.

[ToraToraTora]

so he was going to send them to Palestine, where they are now but that's not a homeland? Forgive me ladies I struggle with female "illogic".

[youngmafbog]

I think he was not going to forma a State. Just dump them in Palestine. Amounts to much the same thing except having no State means there would be no legality. And I would not be surprised if
he was expecting the Palestinians to do his dirty work for him.

[naomi24]

TTT, it isn’t female ‘illogic’ – it’s history. It’s the same scrap of land, but at that time it wasn’t the Jewish ‘Homeland’ of Israel’. That didn’t exist until 1948 when the Palestinians were unceremoniously booted off their land, and the State of Israel was founded. Therefore, had Hitler removed all the Jews as he planned, they’d have been living in Palestine – not in Israel. Hitler had no intention of supporting the Jewish claim to that piece of land. He simply wanted them out of Germany. Is that clearer?

[ToraToraTora]

just remind me what happened in the book of exodus.....

[naomi24]

Better still I’ll remind you what happened after that - 2000 years ago when the Jews were exiled.

[Old_Geezer]

Ken is hardly popular with the party. Any feeble excuse to spin and accuse him of being unfit to be a member is grabbed with relish. Not that I have the enthusiasm to support him much after the hash he made as London's major. But there again it seems all mayors are terrible, pushing their daft ideas on the long suffering public.

[Kromovaracun]

". Labour has a problem with Israel because they believe that, morally, it shouldn’t exist – and they’re right really. "

What makes you say that naomi?

I don't really have an opinion on the issue personally, I'm just curious as it isn't what I'd have guessed your view would be.

[Old_Geezer]

I'd suspect it would be around Resolution 181's right to award the land as a homeland for the jews.

I don't believe that whether Germany just wanted rid of jews or supported a homeland is that relevant. It's reading too much into statements indicating a similarity of purpose. If some folk weren't looking for cause to make fuss it'd have passed without incident.

[naomi24]

Krom, //What makes you say that naomi?//

I say that because, unlike some who say only what suits their personal agenda, I’m not averse to defending those who I perceive to be on the receiving end of injustice. When the State of Israel was founded the Palestinians were treated abominably.

OG, Ken Livingstone’s claim was not only completely inaccurate; it was a very foolish one. Hitler’s appalling treatment of the Jews is, unsurprisingly, a very touchy subject.

[Khandro]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-bible-on-jewish-links-to-the-holy-land

[naomi24]

Khandro, why have you posted that?

[Khandro]

n. For Kromo, 07:08