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if he had won it would have been like saying "hey kids, turn up to school when you want"
if he had won it would have been like saying "hey kids, turn up to school when you want"
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TTT - //Andy: "so if the notion of a fine is meant to deter parents, it's clearly not going to work! " - who said it would? this is about some plonkef getting the law overturned because he cannot agree. If you want to deter then make the fines a lot more. //
I'm not suggesting that the fines will work - which was rather my point.
// bazille: "This bloke was acting out of a sense of Altruism , in trying to make it better for less well off parents , who can't afford holidays when school are out " - cobras, he's an attention seeking prat who wants his 15 mins of fame. //
Bazille's irony klaxon is in the menders, please allow me to assist - WHHHHHAAARRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!
I'm not suggesting that the fines will work - which was rather my point.
// bazille: "This bloke was acting out of a sense of Altruism , in trying to make it better for less well off parents , who can't afford holidays when school are out " - cobras, he's an attention seeking prat who wants his 15 mins of fame. //
Bazille's irony klaxon is in the menders, please allow me to assist - WHHHHHAAARRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!
I have been put all day and have only just got back in, and I don't have the time to read all the replies.......
But, yes I am glad this arrogant man has lost his case as well. Kids are supposed to be in school, not faffing about in Florida.
This fathers job is make sure his kids attend school when its proper to do so, not when its convenient to him.
Why is that whenever cases like this comes up, its always an expensive holiday abroad, and not 2 weeks in caravan in North Wales ?
The Court has made a commons sense decision....if they hadn't then, it would have been a green light to others parents to take they're kids out of school as well
But, yes I am glad this arrogant man has lost his case as well. Kids are supposed to be in school, not faffing about in Florida.
This fathers job is make sure his kids attend school when its proper to do so, not when its convenient to him.
Why is that whenever cases like this comes up, its always an expensive holiday abroad, and not 2 weeks in caravan in North Wales ?
The Court has made a commons sense decision....if they hadn't then, it would have been a green light to others parents to take they're kids out of school as well
// but I hope he had to pay costs amounting to more than his original fine of £120.//
yeah costs usually follow the loser - costs of both sides.....
yeah outside he clearly thought he should have won
and yeah I agree I think the Law Lords said to themselves
clearly parents cant have the right to take their children on holiday when they want ....
yeah costs usually follow the loser - costs of both sides.....
yeah outside he clearly thought he should have won
and yeah I agree I think the Law Lords said to themselves
clearly parents cant have the right to take their children on holiday when they want ....
I think we did this virtually to death when the earlier hearings took place. However, a few points need addressing.
“Holidays are often educational too.”
Possibly. But they are more often not. And in any case there is adequate time for parents to provide this additional “tuition”.
“…the reason he took the kids out of school was his eldest child went to a private school and their school holidays didn't coincide with the younger kids.”
Very strange if true. Strange because of course he could have chosen to take the eldest child out of school and thus avoided a run-in with the local authority. Oh! Hang on! The private school is probably costing him about £4k per term, so £300 a week. Wouldn’t want to waste that (apart from the fact that the private school probably has a zero tolerance rule in respect to term time holidays).
“Some people simply can't afford it.”
Life’s a bit of a *** sometimes. Holidays in school holiday time have been expensive since the year dot. It’s called supply and demand. Anybody making a conscious decision to have children (instead of simply “Let’s have some kids!” “Yeah go on then!”) should have taken that on board.
This idiot, when giving his “press conference” outside the court said “This is no longer an issue of term-time holidays. It is about the State taking the rights of parents away when it comes to making decisions about their children”. The State takes all sorts of rights away from parents. The Education Act itself makes attendance at school compulsory (provided you don’t home-educate).
The Supreme Court made the right decision, but the issue is still not as clear as it should be. Headteachers should have no authority to give the go-ahead for term-time holidays. The law (or more properly the DoE’s guidance) should be changed so as to prevent it. Every parent says “it’s only a week – it won’t do any harm”. But to have children pitching up as and when their parents see fit would make it all but impossible for them to provide a proper education for all their pupils. The Education Act actually provides for custodial sentences for parents who "knowingly fail to secure regular attendance at school of registered pupil". Those should be considered for persistent offenders as it would help concentrate their minds.
“Holidays are often educational too.”
Possibly. But they are more often not. And in any case there is adequate time for parents to provide this additional “tuition”.
“…the reason he took the kids out of school was his eldest child went to a private school and their school holidays didn't coincide with the younger kids.”
Very strange if true. Strange because of course he could have chosen to take the eldest child out of school and thus avoided a run-in with the local authority. Oh! Hang on! The private school is probably costing him about £4k per term, so £300 a week. Wouldn’t want to waste that (apart from the fact that the private school probably has a zero tolerance rule in respect to term time holidays).
“Some people simply can't afford it.”
Life’s a bit of a *** sometimes. Holidays in school holiday time have been expensive since the year dot. It’s called supply and demand. Anybody making a conscious decision to have children (instead of simply “Let’s have some kids!” “Yeah go on then!”) should have taken that on board.
This idiot, when giving his “press conference” outside the court said “This is no longer an issue of term-time holidays. It is about the State taking the rights of parents away when it comes to making decisions about their children”. The State takes all sorts of rights away from parents. The Education Act itself makes attendance at school compulsory (provided you don’t home-educate).
The Supreme Court made the right decision, but the issue is still not as clear as it should be. Headteachers should have no authority to give the go-ahead for term-time holidays. The law (or more properly the DoE’s guidance) should be changed so as to prevent it. Every parent says “it’s only a week – it won’t do any harm”. But to have children pitching up as and when their parents see fit would make it all but impossible for them to provide a proper education for all their pupils. The Education Act actually provides for custodial sentences for parents who "knowingly fail to secure regular attendance at school of registered pupil". Those should be considered for persistent offenders as it would help concentrate their minds.
It is frustrating paying a premium, but I do like my kids to have as close to a 100% attendance record as possible.
I do wish there was consistency though. A few years ago we wanted two days off in term time because we were going to a wedding at the other side of the country. The wedding was on a Friday so we wanted to travel on the Thursday. My daughter was a bridesmaid - she was only 8 at the time. We were refused.
The following term an Indian child was granted a fortnight off to attend a wedding in India.
Very annoying.
I do wish there was consistency though. A few years ago we wanted two days off in term time because we were going to a wedding at the other side of the country. The wedding was on a Friday so we wanted to travel on the Thursday. My daughter was a bridesmaid - she was only 8 at the time. We were refused.
The following term an Indian child was granted a fortnight off to attend a wedding in India.
Very annoying.
I haven't read all the posts so don't shout at me lol. But my feeling is that this man had money and there was no reason at all to take the kids out of school term time for a holiday. I could just, and I mean just, understand Struggling parents doing this because the holiday companies ramp their prices up in school hols, but that's really the main issue - to try and get them to not hike up their pricing in the holidays therefore less parents would take holidays in term times.
As an ex-teacher - I'm so glad he didn't win. The one and only time we requested leave was for our younger daughter (then in her G.C.S.E. year) and that was for one Friday when she accompanied her father, who was running in the Paris half-marathon that weekend. Part of the exam was on Paris, so she got a better idea, used the language etc.. The Asians were a dreadful problem, taking their kids out for months, and one in particular that I remember (12 yr. old girl) returned and didn't even register on the Reading Age score after her absence (she'd been almost aged 7 before - remember that the only time she spoke English was in class). Hours and hours of expensive remedial teaching ensued.
I know, who better, that it is cheaper to holiday out of school holidays - I, as a teacher, had no choice. We bought a caravan and holidayed in UK because that was the only option. Our kids were the only ones in their classes who had a grasp of UK geography and history - so I think it paid off and my point is made.
I know, who better, that it is cheaper to holiday out of school holidays - I, as a teacher, had no choice. We bought a caravan and holidayed in UK because that was the only option. Our kids were the only ones in their classes who had a grasp of UK geography and history - so I think it paid off and my point is made.
My brother is taking his two boys to Disney Florida for a fortnight next week so luckily it is Easter break for them. £11,500 for the privilege though.
Lots of Kids at my school are off 'sick' for a week at a time. They come back w its tails of fun in the sun.
One boy even came back after two weeks sick and asked what did he do while he was off so poorly replied that he I'm not allowed to tell you because I was on holiday.
Put simply don't ask for holiday take it as sick leave.
Lots of Kids at my school are off 'sick' for a week at a time. They come back w its tails of fun in the sun.
One boy even came back after two weeks sick and asked what did he do while he was off so poorly replied that he I'm not allowed to tell you because I was on holiday.
Put simply don't ask for holiday take it as sick leave.
I did read the judgement and grudgingly had to admit that it made sense. But the law seems to me to still leave a good deal in the hands of the school in terms of judging whether or not to give leave of absence, as it should be. I benefited from the holidays I took in primary school in particular, and I venture to suggest that such week-long breaks (that ended as soon as high school began) didn't have any appreciable effect on my education or my brother's. The last such holiday I used to revise for my end-of-primary SATs in peace -- and all such holidays were to cheapo Haven Holiday camps in the south-west of England. Our parents always got permission and I don't think the school or teachers, who were in the best permission to judge the effects, had any complaint.
Now that the meaning of "regularly" has been finally clarified, it seems to me that the law is clear and doesn't need any further changes.
Now that the meaning of "regularly" has been finally clarified, it seems to me that the law is clear and doesn't need any further changes.
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