Road rules3 mins ago
Are Sheffield Correct To Re-Sign Ched Evans?
Ched Evans is morally reprehensible.
However, as he has been exonerated of rape, I am pleased that he is able to resume his career at his former club.
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However, as he has been exonerated of rape, I am pleased that he is able to resume his career at his former club.
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It's a tough one.
I agree entirely with Deskdiary's assessment of Evans, but one of the cornerstones of my personal philosophy of life is a belief in the concept of redemption.
Evans was found not guilty in law, and his attitude to women has been exposed to the world.
But on that basis, he should be able to earn his living as well as he is able, and that appears to include returning to his old club.
I agree with jack - the songs will be being composed as I write, and he must deal with that as part of his new learning experience as a young man with too much money and no morals - actions do have consequences.
People often talk about professional sportspeople, and other people in the pubic eye as being 'role models' - a notion which I find fatuous as a general rule.
But on this occasion, where a professional sportsman has had to learn a salutary lesson very publicly, maybe he can be pout forward to talk to young men about their responsibilities in regard to their behaviour and attitudes towards the women they meet.
We always hear about the notions of parents 'warning' their daughters about predatory men - perhaps we should start talking to our sons about their responsibilities instead.
I agree entirely with Deskdiary's assessment of Evans, but one of the cornerstones of my personal philosophy of life is a belief in the concept of redemption.
Evans was found not guilty in law, and his attitude to women has been exposed to the world.
But on that basis, he should be able to earn his living as well as he is able, and that appears to include returning to his old club.
I agree with jack - the songs will be being composed as I write, and he must deal with that as part of his new learning experience as a young man with too much money and no morals - actions do have consequences.
People often talk about professional sportspeople, and other people in the pubic eye as being 'role models' - a notion which I find fatuous as a general rule.
But on this occasion, where a professional sportsman has had to learn a salutary lesson very publicly, maybe he can be pout forward to talk to young men about their responsibilities in regard to their behaviour and attitudes towards the women they meet.
We always hear about the notions of parents 'warning' their daughters about predatory men - perhaps we should start talking to our sons about their responsibilities instead.
The professional football industry seems to exist in some sort of parallel universe to the one most of us inhabit so it’s not very wise to query the sanity of those involved with it.
What is a little hard to fathom is understanding of the attitude of Mr Evans’s “partner” of some eight years, whom I believe goes by the name of Natasha Massey. I believe that, although acquitted of rape, it is common ground that in 2011 Mr Evans did have a fairly involved sexual encounter with somebody other than Ms Massey. That encounter formed the basis of the rape charge, with the alleged victim apparently being deemed too drunk to consent to sex (according to the prosecution). Ms Massey seems prepared to accept that and in fact welcomed him back from prison. They had a child in January 2016, before his successful appeal was heard. Even stranger than that is the attitude of Ms Massey’s businessman father, Karl. He too stood by Evans. He set up a website “chedevans.com” (which proclaimed Evans to be wrongly convicted of rape) and hired lawyers for Evans’s appeal.
I cannot help but think that, in the real world that is not Planet Football, a girl’s father, upon discovering that his daughter’s partner had been up to such naughties, might have taken a slightly different approach to the cad that had treated his little girl so badly. Even if his daughter seemingly lacked the self-respect that Ms Massey appears to be short of, I don’t think his plans would have involved setting up a website and hiring his lawyers for him.
What is a little hard to fathom is understanding of the attitude of Mr Evans’s “partner” of some eight years, whom I believe goes by the name of Natasha Massey. I believe that, although acquitted of rape, it is common ground that in 2011 Mr Evans did have a fairly involved sexual encounter with somebody other than Ms Massey. That encounter formed the basis of the rape charge, with the alleged victim apparently being deemed too drunk to consent to sex (according to the prosecution). Ms Massey seems prepared to accept that and in fact welcomed him back from prison. They had a child in January 2016, before his successful appeal was heard. Even stranger than that is the attitude of Ms Massey’s businessman father, Karl. He too stood by Evans. He set up a website “chedevans.com” (which proclaimed Evans to be wrongly convicted of rape) and hired lawyers for Evans’s appeal.
I cannot help but think that, in the real world that is not Planet Football, a girl’s father, upon discovering that his daughter’s partner had been up to such naughties, might have taken a slightly different approach to the cad that had treated his little girl so badly. Even if his daughter seemingly lacked the self-respect that Ms Massey appears to be short of, I don’t think his plans would have involved setting up a website and hiring his lawyers for him.
As a father of three daughters, and grandfather of a granddaughter, I can only echo your sentiments New Judge.
I would never presume to involve myself in my daughters' choices of partners, but neither would I fork out money and effort to defend one of them had they behaved with such alley-cat morals.
I would never presume to involve myself in my daughters' choices of partners, but neither would I fork out money and effort to defend one of them had they behaved with such alley-cat morals.
Ched Evans is guilty of one thing - cheating on his girlfriend.
If his appeal had failed, he would still be 'a rapist'.
However, he has been exonerated. Sheffield United would be in a tricky position if they refused him his job back.
Exactly the same as anyone in his position.
If football teams refused to sign players who have affairs, there would be roughly 17 players left in the Premier League.
If his appeal had failed, he would still be 'a rapist'.
However, he has been exonerated. Sheffield United would be in a tricky position if they refused him his job back.
Exactly the same as anyone in his position.
If football teams refused to sign players who have affairs, there would be roughly 17 players left in the Premier League.
sp1814 - //Ched Evans is guilty of one thing - cheating on his girlfriend. //
That's a moral iussue, rather than a legal one, as I am sure you would agree.
//If his appeal had failed, he would still be 'a rapist' //
No, he would be a convicted rapist, without the inverted commas.
// However, he has been exonerated. Sheffield United would be in a tricky position if they refused him his job back.
Exactly the same as anyone in his position. //
They haven't 'refused him his job back. If you recall, his contract with Sheffield cancelled, they are under no legal or moral obligation to re-employ him.
What they have done is signed him from another club, which is a straight-forward transfer deal, in no way conditioned by any need, legal or moral to employ him under any circumstances.
Let's not pretend here - Sheffield are getting Evans at a bargain basement price far below the price he would have attracted if he could have behaved like a civilised human being. Their largesse is motivated by money, as it should be, they are a business, but let's not confuse the idea that they were obliged to re-employ him - clearly they were not.
// If football teams refused to sign players who have affairs, there would be roughly 17 players left in the Premier League. //
Evans didn't have 'an affair' - he engaged in sexual activity with a complete stranger who was too drugged to know what day it was.
Let's not dignify his behaviour by inferring that he simply cheated on his partner with another woman - his action was far more repugnant than that.
That's a moral iussue, rather than a legal one, as I am sure you would agree.
//If his appeal had failed, he would still be 'a rapist' //
No, he would be a convicted rapist, without the inverted commas.
// However, he has been exonerated. Sheffield United would be in a tricky position if they refused him his job back.
Exactly the same as anyone in his position. //
They haven't 'refused him his job back. If you recall, his contract with Sheffield cancelled, they are under no legal or moral obligation to re-employ him.
What they have done is signed him from another club, which is a straight-forward transfer deal, in no way conditioned by any need, legal or moral to employ him under any circumstances.
Let's not pretend here - Sheffield are getting Evans at a bargain basement price far below the price he would have attracted if he could have behaved like a civilised human being. Their largesse is motivated by money, as it should be, they are a business, but let's not confuse the idea that they were obliged to re-employ him - clearly they were not.
// If football teams refused to sign players who have affairs, there would be roughly 17 players left in the Premier League. //
Evans didn't have 'an affair' - he engaged in sexual activity with a complete stranger who was too drugged to know what day it was.
Let's not dignify his behaviour by inferring that he simply cheated on his partner with another woman - his action was far more repugnant than that.
Oh dear, the Ched Evans conundrum again to trouble the virtue signallers. If he was a war mongering politician, or a non Christian would be violent threat, or an African descent young knife or firearms offender they would be queuing up to offer support. But an innocent white footballer sticks in their collective craws. Tells us more about them than it did about him. Meehh.
//The professional football industry seems to exist in some sort of parallel universe to the one most of us inhabit //
Do you know I have always thought that true of judges, who never seem to know who anyone is no matter how frequently they have appeared in the media spotlight.
Anyway back on subject, the man has been exonerated of the charge so should be allowed to go about his business. It seems he is a scumbag in a world where there is no shortage of scumbags, but it says a lot for his character that his partner, and indeed his partner's father, have remained on his side.
Do you know I have always thought that true of judges, who never seem to know who anyone is no matter how frequently they have appeared in the media spotlight.
Anyway back on subject, the man has been exonerated of the charge so should be allowed to go about his business. It seems he is a scumbag in a world where there is no shortage of scumbags, but it says a lot for his character that his partner, and indeed his partner's father, have remained on his side.
Togo - //But an innocent white footballer sticks in their collective craws. //
Leaving aside the fact that your post is largely meaningless, lt's be clear about what Chad Evans is, and what he is not -
In legal terms he is not guilty, in that he was granted a new trial and not convicted of the offence a second time, but if you think that makes him 'innocent', then maybe you need to think again..
Because evil things happen in the world does not mean that a situation where no-one died is lesser because of it.
Leaving aside the fact that your post is largely meaningless, lt's be clear about what Chad Evans is, and what he is not -
In legal terms he is not guilty, in that he was granted a new trial and not convicted of the offence a second time, but if you think that makes him 'innocent', then maybe you need to think again..
Because evil things happen in the world does not mean that a situation where no-one died is lesser because of it.
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