A Fitting Monument To One Of The Greatest Prime Ministers Of The 20Th Century

[youngmafbog]

A nice tribute to TGL.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4501484/Thatcher-statue-plinth-Parliament-Square.html

[Islay]

Oh come on Mikey - he is only the voice of common sense because he agrees with you - don't start playing that game!!

[naomi24]

Mikey, your link says there are more nurses now. Did you read it?

[mikey4444]

Islay...trying to stifle debate now are you ?

We are as entitled to our view as you are to yours.

Play playing the ball and not the man.

[Islay]

Lol how am I trying to stifle debate?
Is this because valid counter arguments are being brought up that you cannot answer?

[naomi24]

Mikey, perhaps it's time to acknowledge once and for all that Labour holds no attraction for the majority of the electorate. You're flogging a long-dead horse.

[mikey4444]

Islay...I have explained, ad nauseam, why I hated the Tory Government of the 80's and 90's. I'm not sure that I can say anything more or anything different.

[naomi24]

Thirty/forty years ago, Move on, Mikey. Times have changed – and so have aspirations and expectations. You’re living in the rosy glow of a past that didn't exist.

[cassa333]

Mikey, like a lot of Labour dinosaurs, live in the 40 years ago mind set.

As you so rightly point out Naomi, times have changed. Aspirations have change and the people with aspirations have changed.

Social awareness isn't restricted to Labourites, the right, Low end earners or even no earners. It has a whole spectrum of people.

But not apparently in the 1970s mind of dinosaurs.

[cassa333]

Actually one has to wonder why the unions etc were crushed.

It was because they had got too big for their boots and it was obvious to all who could see they would have ground the country to its knees and flayed the skin off any bones left standing.

[Zacs-Master]

Labour's manifesto is largly being written by the Unions it would appear:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/13/unions-wrote-corbyns-manifesto-100-demands-copied-pasted-labours/

[ToraToraTora]

Islay, there are none so blind as those that will not see. mikey and co bang on about unemployment but Like the need for TGL herself that was also created by their union buddies. Yes unemployment rose but they were not proper jobs. Under the Union Reich it was almost impossible to fire anyone, thus when TGL opened the valve to allow employers to actually run their own businesses that inevitable surplus hit the dole queue. The public sector needed trimming down , we were paying more and more for more and more leeches. As I have said above the medicine was harsh but the patient needed it. How fortunate we are to have found TGL who did not flinch, in her own words "simply no alternative" - history will bestow true greatness. Mikey and co never explain how they would fix it they just bang on about how she did. I can only assume they wanted us to slip into becoming another soviet bloc outpost. Left to them the Berlin wall would still be up.

[mikey4444]

"simply no alternative"....to make 1.5 million people unemployed !

[ToraToraTora]

they were not real jobs mikey, please try and be objective, try to understand.

[ToraToraTora]

well mikey perhaps you'd like to tell us the alternative, how could we have got out of the union dug hole?

[Khandro]

Westminster council rakes in £700m per year in parking fines and tickets so it is a mere bagatelle.

[Garaman]

By the time Maggie came to power we had far too many inefficient factories and on top of that that it was proving much cheaper to import goods. The result being that we became a net importer of goods and had to seek other ways to employ people, which hasn't proven easy. Mikey seems to be implying that the solution should have been to make the factories efficient again, but I don't think that was ever viable, nor do I think they could ever have competed with the cost of imported goods.

[mikey4444]

Why were those millions of unemployed not in "real jobs" ?

To bring us bang up to date....there are now 20,000 fewer Police Officers than there were in 2010.....were those Police Officers not in "real jobs" either ?

[ToraToraTora]

10cs "Everyone is ignoring my point. A mere handful of people made ludicrous amounts of money at the expense of whole communities and industries " - not missing mate, it's irrelevant, people do well/badly under all governments that's life, what about Saint Tony's, cronies? Why focus on irrelevant minutia?
Mikey still waiting for the "alternative"....

[Kromovaracun]

I think Thatcher's decision making re: the economy was broadly correct and generally served the country better than what was happening before it, but there is definitely something to what Clarion is saying. When the state enterprises were privatised, they were deliberately sold at extremely under-valued rates to the loss of the taxpayer and to the enormous benefit of buyers who subsequently made a killing on them. She and her successors pioneered the epidemic of profiteering from the public sector by private enterprise which is causing havoc today.