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Corbyn This Afternoon
Hate to say it but Corbyn did damn well again this afternoon at the 2.30pm press conference.
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Jim, //That's from the same school of rhetoric as "Brexit means Brexit"... // Not quite sure how you work that out, but the mentality of the naïve – or those on the lookout for a freebie - never ceases to amaze me, so I’m pretty philosophica
18:59 Thu 01st Jun 2017
I don't think Corbyn's ability to draw crowds has ever been in question. I remember when he ran for Labour leader he visited Norwich (I happened to be visiting friends- I am from Cambridge as well but I'm not there at the moment so can't speak to the crowd yesterday). He packed out a fairly sizable venue in minutes, and I saw people clambering on the outside for a place to hear him speak. There are not many politicians who can do that.
The question is whether that actually means anything for the purpose of winning elections. Which is far less clear.
The question is whether that actually means anything for the purpose of winning elections. Which is far less clear.
Talbot I have not 'made it up' read this!
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^ Has anyone heard May actually say that she personally supports 'brexit' ?
She was one of the most ardent 'remain supporters' before June 23 2016! Describing leaving the EU as '' a Disaster for the UK ! ''
How times change!
Bullocks. She was one of the weakest campaigners of Remain. She was between a rock and a hard place. I bet she laughed out loud when the result was announced.
She was one of the most ardent 'remain supporters' before June 23 2016! Describing leaving the EU as '' a Disaster for the UK ! ''
How times change!
Bullocks. She was one of the weakest campaigners of Remain. She was between a rock and a hard place. I bet she laughed out loud when the result was announced.
"Eddie....could it be that Corbyn IS popular, and Mrs May isn't?"
And this, I think, is the nub of the problem.
Corbyn (despite not knowing his numbers and being a well known supporter of the IRA and Hammas) seems to have fooled the public that he is a cuddly lovable fluffy bunny type who will head a benevolent Government, without looking past this false persona and actually reading and understanding that he wants to drag the country back to the 70s where his ideology is still very firmly rooted.
Labour, with Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott in the three biggest jobs in Government will be an absolute disaster for this country. Tax (especially those evil "rich" people on more than £80k), spend and borrow. T'was ever thus.
If Labour wins because Corbyn comes across as the nicer person despite his ridiculous plans, then I despair.
And this, I think, is the nub of the problem.
Corbyn (despite not knowing his numbers and being a well known supporter of the IRA and Hammas) seems to have fooled the public that he is a cuddly lovable fluffy bunny type who will head a benevolent Government, without looking past this false persona and actually reading and understanding that he wants to drag the country back to the 70s where his ideology is still very firmly rooted.
Labour, with Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott in the three biggest jobs in Government will be an absolute disaster for this country. Tax (especially those evil "rich" people on more than £80k), spend and borrow. T'was ever thus.
If Labour wins because Corbyn comes across as the nicer person despite his ridiculous plans, then I despair.
Corbyn only turned up in Cambridge as he is panicking/desperate/whatever.
The polls this morning were between 5,6% and 15% to the Tories, so no consistency there - and no surprise as they will be bombed again by not picking up the silent majority
. What this election comes down to, as on Day 1, is where the Farage UKIP mob end up - the indication is they will lose at least 2,5 million votes - be generous and give the Labour party 1/2 million of them - and 2 million to the Tories - that averages out at 3000 votes per seat....then take the marginals and add that back in and May is sitting comfortably. Evidence for that - look at the May elections and the polls on UKIP - all of them have their share halved.
The polls this morning were between 5,6% and 15% to the Tories, so no consistency there - and no surprise as they will be bombed again by not picking up the silent majority
. What this election comes down to, as on Day 1, is where the Farage UKIP mob end up - the indication is they will lose at least 2,5 million votes - be generous and give the Labour party 1/2 million of them - and 2 million to the Tories - that averages out at 3000 votes per seat....then take the marginals and add that back in and May is sitting comfortably. Evidence for that - look at the May elections and the polls on UKIP - all of them have their share halved.
Well certainly I'll agree that Labour probably would need to get to, say, a five or six-point lead in the polls in order to be in with a serious chance. On the other hand, what's undeniable is that the gap has been closing significantly. Too much ground to make up, probably, means that it likely won't make much difference to the headline result in the end.
It's been a bad campaign, in an unneeded election, for the Tories. The sad fact is that, despite all those blunders, it probably won't matter.
It's been a bad campaign, in an unneeded election, for the Tories. The sad fact is that, despite all those blunders, it probably won't matter.
Jim, //That's from the same school of rhetoric as "Brexit means Brexit"... //
Not quite sure how you work that out, but the mentality of the naïve – or those on the lookout for a freebie - never ceases to amaze me, so I’m pretty philosophical about the outcome of elections. I listened to Jeremy Corbyn today telling us that a Labour government will change the face of our society (or words to that effect), and he’s absolutely right. Believe him. I do – but for me it makes little or no difference. I can afford to pay the extra taxes he’ll want from me, and I won’t need to look for a job when he imposes higher taxes on businesses and obliges employers to pay an increased minimum wage, something that will cause some businesses to scoot to greener pastures, and others to cut staff numbers to the bone, not to mention the smaller businesses that will be put out of business altogether. Neither will I be struggling to feed a family, or run a car, or buy the little luxuries in life, when the increases he plans are passed on by those businesses to the consumer - because I can afford to pay the higher prices. So you see, I’m alright, Jim, as ‘they’ (almost) say. Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t present a problem to me, but I feel sorry for those who are not in my position - and for this country - because Labour, given the chance, will destroy it. Vote Labour! You KNOW it makes sense – but only if you limit your thought processes.
//Which raises a thought -- has anyone seem Naomi and Theresa in the same room?//
Nah. I’ve never met the woman.
Not quite sure how you work that out, but the mentality of the naïve – or those on the lookout for a freebie - never ceases to amaze me, so I’m pretty philosophical about the outcome of elections. I listened to Jeremy Corbyn today telling us that a Labour government will change the face of our society (or words to that effect), and he’s absolutely right. Believe him. I do – but for me it makes little or no difference. I can afford to pay the extra taxes he’ll want from me, and I won’t need to look for a job when he imposes higher taxes on businesses and obliges employers to pay an increased minimum wage, something that will cause some businesses to scoot to greener pastures, and others to cut staff numbers to the bone, not to mention the smaller businesses that will be put out of business altogether. Neither will I be struggling to feed a family, or run a car, or buy the little luxuries in life, when the increases he plans are passed on by those businesses to the consumer - because I can afford to pay the higher prices. So you see, I’m alright, Jim, as ‘they’ (almost) say. Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t present a problem to me, but I feel sorry for those who are not in my position - and for this country - because Labour, given the chance, will destroy it. Vote Labour! You KNOW it makes sense – but only if you limit your thought processes.
//Which raises a thought -- has anyone seem Naomi and Theresa in the same room?//
Nah. I’ve never met the woman.
//It's been a bad campaign, in an unneeded election, for the Tories. The sad fact is that, despite all those blunders, it probably won't matter.//
Me thinks not - UKIP wrecked, BNP wrecked, and the next election is 2022, two years extra after any leverage that the EU thought that they may be holding May's feet to the fire as to achieving a deal. No , this is clever on her part - the only downside being that she may get a new leader of the Labour or Democratic Party to contend with, one who offers some more credibility and balls (not Ed or his dreadfully quiet Yvette), someone like Hilary Benn or Sir Kier Starmer who may challenge her verbally, if not in division.
Me thinks not - UKIP wrecked, BNP wrecked, and the next election is 2022, two years extra after any leverage that the EU thought that they may be holding May's feet to the fire as to achieving a deal. No , this is clever on her part - the only downside being that she may get a new leader of the Labour or Democratic Party to contend with, one who offers some more credibility and balls (not Ed or his dreadfully quiet Yvette), someone like Hilary Benn or Sir Kier Starmer who may challenge her verbally, if not in division.
Somebody on here thinks that Corbyn is "The Man" but I doubt it - he's an adolescent and always has been.
He's never had a job, or at least never been in receipt of anything but state handouts of one sort or another, he's had three and a half wives (to date) - expensive for somebody....and most tellingly, has rarely supported HIS party line - a major sign of immaturity. (look at me)
He's never had a job, or at least never been in receipt of anything but state handouts of one sort or another, he's had three and a half wives (to date) - expensive for somebody....and most tellingly, has rarely supported HIS party line - a major sign of immaturity. (look at me)
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