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anneasquith //I wondered how long it would take on this thread to blame the audience..//
The "thread" didn't blame the audience (for bad behaviour, shouting and mock laughter) it was said immediately by Farage (who has brought the BBC to account), Boris , the Telegraph and anyone except Momentum, with even a scrap of perception and intelligence.
Try watching it and say otherwise.
The "thread" didn't blame the audience (for bad behaviour, shouting and mock laughter) it was said immediately by Farage (who has brought the BBC to account), Boris , the Telegraph and anyone except Momentum, with even a scrap of perception and intelligence.
Try watching it and say otherwise.
Jim at 08:51, I can’t agree with you on any of that. I haven’t heard anything about Mrs May’s intention to 'expand' religious schools and I can’t see that she’s disinterested in climate change – I think you might well be over-egging both there - as is your wont - but I support her wholeheartedly on her plans for grammar schools, I want immigration drastically reduced, and I want a hard Brexit.
//you seem somewhat unable to sell the Tories positively.//
You see what you want to see. You’d rather vote tactically and end up with something you really won’t want. Shooting yourself – and the country - in the foot makes no sense to me.
Do you know, with all the ill-considered nonsense I read, part of me kind of hopes that Labour will triumph. I am fortunate enough to be in a position where I can afford to pay the extra taxes they will want from me, and I won’t be one of those looking for a job when businesses fold, and neither will I be struggling to feed a family on a small budget and the inflated prices that will be inevitable when companies pass his tax rises onto the consumer. It really makes no odds to me – but I really wouldn’t want to be responsible for imposing all of that on to others. Labour supporters forget that nothing comes for nothing and, despite Corbyn’s idealistic Robin Hood notions of the rich paying for the poor, ultimately it will be the ordinary man who pays the price.
Mikey at 09:11, she didn't say that.
//you seem somewhat unable to sell the Tories positively.//
You see what you want to see. You’d rather vote tactically and end up with something you really won’t want. Shooting yourself – and the country - in the foot makes no sense to me.
Do you know, with all the ill-considered nonsense I read, part of me kind of hopes that Labour will triumph. I am fortunate enough to be in a position where I can afford to pay the extra taxes they will want from me, and I won’t be one of those looking for a job when businesses fold, and neither will I be struggling to feed a family on a small budget and the inflated prices that will be inevitable when companies pass his tax rises onto the consumer. It really makes no odds to me – but I really wouldn’t want to be responsible for imposing all of that on to others. Labour supporters forget that nothing comes for nothing and, despite Corbyn’s idealistic Robin Hood notions of the rich paying for the poor, ultimately it will be the ordinary man who pays the price.
Mikey at 09:11, she didn't say that.
The agreement I was hoping for is not so much that you shouldn't want expanded grammar school, reduced immigration, and Hard Brexit -- merely that it's not unreasonable to not want those things, and therefore that voting for the Tories in that case really would be shooting yourself in the foot.
As to May's position on Climate Change... well, like many issues, she's hardly been that vocal about it specifically. The topic barely gets a mention in the Tory manifesto -- although then again not that much of substance really did, it seemed to me -- and one of her first actions as PM was to abolish the government department focused specifically on Climate Change, its role being absorbed in a larger department (Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy). So what that says about her views on it, I don't know. It seems to me that, at the very least, she doesn't view it as a vitally important issue.
The point I'm making is that it's possible for a reasonable person to disagree with the Tories, and to therefore have little option but to turn to the only other alternative. I would have thought that was uncontroversial.
As to May's position on Climate Change... well, like many issues, she's hardly been that vocal about it specifically. The topic barely gets a mention in the Tory manifesto -- although then again not that much of substance really did, it seemed to me -- and one of her first actions as PM was to abolish the government department focused specifically on Climate Change, its role being absorbed in a larger department (Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy). So what that says about her views on it, I don't know. It seems to me that, at the very least, she doesn't view it as a vitally important issue.
The point I'm making is that it's possible for a reasonable person to disagree with the Tories, and to therefore have little option but to turn to the only other alternative. I would have thought that was uncontroversial.
Jim, //The point I'm making is that it's possible for a reasonable person to disagree with the Tories, and to therefore have little option but to turn to the only other alternative.//
Of course it isn’t unreasonable for you to disagree with the Conservatives, but turning to the only other alternative when that alternative is completely unviable is nothing short of folly.
Of course it isn’t unreasonable for you to disagree with the Conservatives, but turning to the only other alternative when that alternative is completely unviable is nothing short of folly.
It is really telling for me that Labours hard core members i.e. Momentum, feels the need to infiltrate to give their dear leader a leg up.
Every time they heckle (and it seems a more aggressive heckle than other party heckling) they show themselves and the Labour hierarchy up as nothing short of bully's.
Corbyn and his disciples trott around the country 'blissfully unaware' of the bullying because they can just blink a few times and say 'nothing to do with us guv we don't support it, stop it you naughty boys and girls' , see what we did there? We distanced our selves from it but in fact they are part of the Labour movement so you can't touch us.
Labour policies will bankrupt the country faster than a prostitute drops her knickers. But that's all right because we will get free child care, less choice on education, pensioners won't loose about 30p, we'll have a bankrupted NHS and lose defence options for the country and the real kicker is that everyone on benefits will be subservient to the Labour government because there is no incentive to work because to work would be to be worse off.
Every time they heckle (and it seems a more aggressive heckle than other party heckling) they show themselves and the Labour hierarchy up as nothing short of bully's.
Corbyn and his disciples trott around the country 'blissfully unaware' of the bullying because they can just blink a few times and say 'nothing to do with us guv we don't support it, stop it you naughty boys and girls' , see what we did there? We distanced our selves from it but in fact they are part of the Labour movement so you can't touch us.
Labour policies will bankrupt the country faster than a prostitute drops her knickers. But that's all right because we will get free child care, less choice on education, pensioners won't loose about 30p, we'll have a bankrupted NHS and lose defence options for the country and the real kicker is that everyone on benefits will be subservient to the Labour government because there is no incentive to work because to work would be to be worse off.
I'm sure I don't need an excuse to beat myself up for decisions made in the past. But in the long run I can only make what I think is the right decision *now*. If it turns out to have been the wrong decision then so be it.
I'm sure I've had this discussion about a different recent vote... my response is the same, I think, as the one other people gave.
I'm sure I've had this discussion about a different recent vote... my response is the same, I think, as the one other people gave.
Seeing as it seems to be the main priority that determines your vote, Naomi, what's your opinion of the uncosted Conservative promises? Like £8bn to the NHS (uncosted), £4bn for schools, moving the civil service out of London, planting a million trees, more buses with low emisssions and lovely videoscreens, etc. etc.. Do they bother you? Or does your unclouded 20/20 vision not register them as important?
My own reasons for supporting Labour aren't out of some naive ideological commitment to socialism or whatever you think it is when you call it "red mist." I just think they're the only one of the two parties who are interested in solving what I see as the biggest problems with our public services - that they are being turned into profiteering outlets for the private sector at the expense of vulnerable people who need them. His plans for an investment bank look to me like a mirror of a very successful policy being pursued in Canada, and while his costings aren't wholly convincing, they don't look to me as "pie-in-the-sky" as the press is making them out to be and I appreciate that the party is being honest about the need to raise taxes if we want our services to be funded properly. (I also don't accept that the raises they've proposed are sufficient to cause businesses to migrate).
There are things I fervently dislike about the party too. Although I support rail nationalisation, I really don't see the point in doing it for utilities, I very strongly dislike Corbyn's record on the IRA and his slipperiness over answering questions about it, and I strongly dislike Diane Abbott both as a person and as a candidate for Home Sec. But part of being a reasoning adult voter is trying to carefully balance the pros and cons based on what's important to you, and that's all I and most Labour-inclined voters have done. I resent being called stupid or naive or "ideological" for that when I'm just trying to vote based on what I think the best option for the country is, just like you are.
My own reasons for supporting Labour aren't out of some naive ideological commitment to socialism or whatever you think it is when you call it "red mist." I just think they're the only one of the two parties who are interested in solving what I see as the biggest problems with our public services - that they are being turned into profiteering outlets for the private sector at the expense of vulnerable people who need them. His plans for an investment bank look to me like a mirror of a very successful policy being pursued in Canada, and while his costings aren't wholly convincing, they don't look to me as "pie-in-the-sky" as the press is making them out to be and I appreciate that the party is being honest about the need to raise taxes if we want our services to be funded properly. (I also don't accept that the raises they've proposed are sufficient to cause businesses to migrate).
There are things I fervently dislike about the party too. Although I support rail nationalisation, I really don't see the point in doing it for utilities, I very strongly dislike Corbyn's record on the IRA and his slipperiness over answering questions about it, and I strongly dislike Diane Abbott both as a person and as a candidate for Home Sec. But part of being a reasoning adult voter is trying to carefully balance the pros and cons based on what's important to you, and that's all I and most Labour-inclined voters have done. I resent being called stupid or naive or "ideological" for that when I'm just trying to vote based on what I think the best option for the country is, just like you are.
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