Now, Surely, We Should Move On The Internment Of People On The Watch List.

[scooping]

We have human rights too, particularly the right to life.

[dannyk13]

Not practical. Are you going to intern them for life?If not tthe you are solving nothing.

[jourdain2]

There is a petition to this effect. I signed it several days ago. I'll try to find it and post.

[dannyk13]

^then^

[Kromovaracun]

Possibly, yeah. The trouble is we don't know what criteria puts people on the watch list, because (as with all these debates) we don't know (and can't know) how the intelligence services operate.

It could be that you only end up on the watch list after very intensive research - in which case, fine. It could also be that everyone who's even the slightest risk gets put on the watch list in hopes of casting a wider net, or even that some non-risk people are put on it on the assumption that some enemies are able to read it, while only those in the know understand which ones are the real threats etc etc.

These are the kind of mind games you get into very quickly with intelligence work, and the watch list hasn't been designed as a go-to list for detainment. It could also be that the various agencies are in the process of building cases against people for the purposes of a trial, which takes time. We don't know - and, obviously, we can't know because then our intelligence services would be completely exposed.

This is ultimately why these debates about what should be done won't and can't go anywhere. We don't have access to the relevant information about what is being done at the moment - and if we ever do, it won't be for decades. Frustrating but... well, there's not really much we can do.

[scooping]

You prevent them harming others. Solving nothing? And thanks Jourdain2. All my family would be happy to sign the petition.

[dannyk13]

You really think that internment for life is practical?

[fender62]

a good start would be to deport firebrand imams if they are not uk citizens, put and end to saudi funded mosques and schools.

[jourdain2]

Found it.. change.org 'Imprison or deport the 3,000 on the terror watch-list. Now 228,155.

[sunny-dave]

I'd go further than the watch list - intern and/or deport any family members and anyone who worshipped at the same mosque(s) as any lethal attacker - unless they communicated their suspicions in advance to the anti-terrorist authorities.

Plenty of people will have known what was about to happen (in outline if not specifics), but chose to protect their faith brethren rather than the rest of society - yes we'd lock up some good, innocent people, but too many good, innocent people have died.

[youngmafbog]

With you on that SD.

As for not practical what absolute rot. Where there is a will there is a way. Besides, if we started getting tough a) it would put many off so the number would dwindle, b) it may well give those Muslims that are aware but afraid to speak out some confidence to do something. Again bringing the numbers down long term.

Just brushing solutions aside without trying them is no longer an option. There is no one solution but we have to start somewhere and NOW.

[gness]

I agree, Dave.....and Talbot posted an interesting link recently which made me look more closely at just what is going on in the mosques......worth a look....
I'd put a link if I could.....perhaps Talbot will post it again.....x

[Baldric]

Jourdains Petition

https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-imprison-or-deport-the-3000-on-the-terrorist-watchlist

[naomi24]

//Now, Surely, We Should Move On The Internment Of People On The Watch List.//

Yes.

[Gromit]

The Manchester bomber Salman Abedi was reported by his local mosque for his extremism, but the warning was ignored.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-bomber-salman-abedi-banned-13092209

[EDDIE51]

Internment was a failure in NI back in 1971 and it will fail again if tried. All it does is to increase the violence and increase the sympathy for 'the cause'
There are encouraging reports that Mosques and Imams are secretly providing many 'tip offs' to the security services and that these have proved very useful. Of course the Mosque officials can not openly admit this as it would be viewed as a form of 'treason' by the activists. Internment would instantly end this form of cooperation!

[naomi24]

Eddie, //Internment would instantly end this form of cooperation! //

Why? If these Imams want to stop terrorism, surely they'd want the people you say they're grassing on removed from society?

[EDDIE51]

If the 'activists' get wind of Imams reporting them to the security services they will immediately go to another Mosque or just organise meeting in other locations where there are no Imams to 'betray them'
Surely you can see that? This subject has probably already had too much publicity for it to continue!

[naomi24]

Eddie, Nonsense. You speak as though Imams are undercover spies working for the security services. They’re not.

[EDDIE51]

Internment increased sympathy for 'the cause' back in 1971 NI it will do the same if introduced here again and the first result will be the drying up of the present secret reporting by Imams and Mosque committees .

[naomi24]

Eddie, and where will this sympathy come from do you think? If the suspects are banged up, any sympathy generated can only come from all those peaceful Muslims you keep telling us about – you know the vast majority who don’t support terrorism in any shape or form.