Pm 'must Listen' To Other Parties Over Brexit Says Cameron

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40268504

What are the chances May will listen ? After all, not listening is part of the reason that she is in the mess that she is in today.

Do bloody difficult women ( and men ) ever listen ?

[Garaman]

Can’t we assume from the election result that the majority of the electorate want her to listen to other parties?

[mikey4444]

Not sure we can Garaman....Mrs May is still in denial.

[EDDIE51]

Her main problem was her utter and total trust in her personal advisors , she valued them above even her own most senior cabinet ministers!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/10/nick-timothy-and-fiona-hill-unelected-advisers-who-acted-more-like-dpms
They accompanied her to cabinet meeting where they shielded her from the rest of the cabinet, even telling another cabinet minister to F*** Off ( but they used the actual F word!) at one meeting!
They read and replied to her emails often without telling her that they had done so.
Now they have been paid £35,000 each severance deal and many MP's are furious about it!
http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-s-advisors-to-get-35-000-pay-out-each-and-ex-peterborough-mp-stewart-jackson-is-not-happy-about-it-1-8005792

[naomi24]

Mikey, other advisors are unelected, but Mr Farage is elected. He’s an MEP.

[AB Editor]

Oh! That one!

The most disastrous PM of my lifetime?

[naomi24]

Garaman, //Can’t we assume from the election result that the majority of the electorate want her to listen to other parties?//

On the issue of Brexit we should assume from the result of the referendum that the majority of the electorate DON’T want her to listen to other parties. They all supported, and still support, Remain.

[jim360]

It's not a case of listening to other parties that maybe we shouldn't leave the EU after all. It's just a question of listening to others on the question of what that means in the finer details. I would like to think that those people who voted to Leave were still happy to engage with others who disagreed with them.

Otherwise it's like that speech from Chicken Run:

Theresa May: "What's important is that we come together as a country to make Brexit work for the British people. We need to work as a team."

Electorate: *enthusiastic nodding*

Theresa May: "Which means... you do everything I tell you."

Electorate: *nods followed by murmurs of puzzlement*

[EDDIE51]

^ 72% of the electorate voted in the EU referendum and 52% of those supported 'Leave'
That does not make a majority in my calculations! But I'll let you do your own maths to avoid being told I have 'made it up'

[naomi24]

Jim, Mrs May also said “Brexit means Brexit” – and that’s what the majority of the electorate voted for. Listening to other parties will very clearly not produce that result. I think the Brexiters are just about to be stitched up - but I'm not surprised.

[Kromovaracun]

//Mrs May also said “Brexit means Brexit”//

That doesn't mean anything.

[naomi24]

Eddie, your sums are wonky. Think again.

[naomi24]

Krom, it means 'out'.

[EDDIE51]

^ I agree naomi,but as you have noticed not once did Mrs May actually say that she personally supports 'Brexit', she used phrases like 'Brexit means Brexit' instead of saying she supported the idea.
We have both admitted that she is a 'remainer' at heart and the EU negotiation team are fully aware of it , they are going to give her an even tougher time now . That's even if it is she who leads the UK negotiations !

[naomi24]

Eddie, she has said quite clearly that she voted to 'Remain'. She has, however, said that she believes it's her job to carry out the wishes of the majority of the electorate who voted to 'Leave'.

[EDDIE51]

^ That was to your comment about 'being stitched up' I leave others work out what 52 % of a 72% turnout is for themselves. I think they will find it is less than 50% so your comment that 52% of the electorate supported Leave is more of the 'alternative fact system' you seem to have learned from your hero Trump!

[jim360]

For the record, eddie: I don't think including the turnout helps, unless you assume that all those who did not vote would have supported the Remain camp. I wish that the remaining electorate had voted -- I always hope that turnout will one day be regularly in the 90%+ range -- but they didn't so never mind.

"Brexit means Brexit" doesn't mean anything, as krom says. It looks profound but it really isn't. Rather like the "red, white and blue Brexit" (as in basically what the US and France want?). It's just a soundbite.

I'd hope that May takes the electoral result as a hint that she'll need to get much more consensus for what she wants. Perforce she'll have to anyway, so it's more a case of whether or no she realises that. But if she sticks to her guns, she might soon find out that "Minority government means Minority government".

[EDDIE51]

^ I agree with all you say Jim. I am in favour of compulsory voting as I think happens in Australia ? The right to vote in free and fair elections is a privilege that few in the world have and it is not to be abused .

[naomi24]

Eddie, you can spin it all you like. The majority of the people who voted in the referendum elected to ‘Leave’. That is not an ‘alternative fact’. It’s a fact.

Jim, no soundbites. Brexit means out.

[jim360]

The devil's in the detail though, isn't it? As we're about to find out.

[EDDIE51]

^^ naomi if you had said that in the first place I would not have disagreed.
But there is a significant difference between saying that the majority of the electorate supported 'leave' and that the majority of those who voted supported 'leave'.
That is exactly what I mean when I say you are the best 'spin doctor' I have ever heard.
You really should think about offering your services to the Conservative party!