Should Britain Pay €100 Billion Divorce Bill?

[Khandro]

or should Theresa simply walk away?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/01/theresa-may-could-storm-brexit-talks-divorce-bill/#comments

[ToraToraTora]

we should not pay those ^&%$ bags another bean, we'ce paid for their twisted corrupt show up to now as it is.

[Old_Geezer]

Ok, to be totally accurate. We didn't vote to leave, nor start the process which will result in leaving eventually ...

[jason.p]

It is indeed a mess, but at the end of the day we, the people, voted to get out. All this whining from the remoaners should be ignored. We should get out as quickly as possible, all these protracted negotiations are are merely a device to water down the outcome so that we end up with the worst of all worlds. No deal is better than a deal which leaves us an emasculated laughing stock.

[Old_Geezer]

Everyone knew what a leave win entailed. It entailed regaining control by leaving. A small number who don't mind appearing thick now like to make out they didn't know in order to avoid flack from disgruntled remainers.

[Zacs-Master]

As a remain voter, I take some small comfort in pointing out the complex consequences of voting to leave to leave voters. Anyone with half a brain could see it was going to be a bumpy ride.

[ToraToraTora]

it's very simple, it's only the whining remainers who keep saying it's difficult.

[scooping]

If we were reforming the constitution, let's say electing the House of Lords, we'd have no problem in setting up a select committee in the Commons or a constitutional convention because all Parties would be roughly in favour. Wecaseuould be great if we could do the same with Brexit but the other Parties won't do it because they won't want to take any of the blame if it goes belly-up. But they should recognise the vote (which they claim to do) and be involved in the national interest.

[Zacs-Master]

That ^^^^ is proven incorrect by the many threads such as this one Tora. It seems that the leave voters are doing all the moaning these days.

[Old_Geezer]

The many threads have nothing to do with complexity and are mostly to do with EU unreasonable behaviour/demands that simply need challanging: and some remainers at home doing their upmost to cause issues and barriers in the hope of preventing a genuine leave; presumably because they want their own way rather than support the democratically arrived at decision. It's a minor nuisance but one has to deal with allsorts in this life.

[Khandro]

zebo; // Many I know who voted to leave had no idea of what would happen because it was never discussed ....//

As Niels Bohr like to quote "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." The future for Britain after Brexit is no more uncertain than the future of the EU itself.
Remaining could mean having a European Army, increasing federalism, an ever increasing membership, - some of Muslim countries including Turkey, a never ending flow of migrants from Africa and economic disaster brought about by the collapse of the Euro, The question you should ask yourself is, "If we weren't members now, would it be a good idea to join?".

[naomi24]

Zacs, //Anyone with half a brain could see it was going to be a bumpy ride.//

Anyone with half a brain would realise that without the continuing determination of the 'Remainers' to derail it, the ride wouldn’t have been nearly so bumpy.

[jason.p]

ZM. The only reason leavers seem to be making more noise here is that we can see the creeping watering down of our democratic vote, which to my mind is a betrayal of the democracy which up to now we had been rightly proud of.

[Zacs-Master]

If you thought that those opposing the vote to leave would just accept it and move on, I think that rather proves my point. It was never going to happen. This thread is about the divorce bill. Again, did leave voters think that the EU would just say, 'OK, UK, been nice knowing you' and that would be it? If you did then again, this proves my point.

[Kathyan]

Zacs, but if the vote had gone the other way, we would have had to accept that then wouldn't we?

[Zacs-Master]

Not necessarily. It would be up to you.

[hc4361]

Maths is not my strong point. Approximately how much would this be for each adult in the UK?

[Zacs-Master]

Approx £1650 per adult.

[hc4361]

Ta, ZM

[KARL]

I have always thought that for the UK to be part of the EU, maybe even usefully contributing to its development, was better for both the UK and the rest of the EU. However, once the referendum was set to happen I truly hoped that the result would be an Out win - because the UK needs it for altogether different reasons than those ever mentioned in public discussions on the theme. That things are complex and will likelier than not become quite messy and take a long time, is all to the good for the very same reasons.

I expect that the EU cannot, as things stand, truly dictate anything to the UK and the UK can even less dictate anything to the EU. The UK can (and very likely will) simply refuse to negotiate if it does not get everything it wants - but that means no progress at all. As regrettable as that would be for all concerned, I would quite enjoy observing such a development because it would/will reveal so much about the UK and the wider reality of life to so many. I am standing back and waiting for the news, not speculating or foaming at the mouth over one thing or another.

[Togo]

//it was always going to be hijacked by the single issue, anti-immigration lobby with no thought about the consequences//

Claptrap. Immigration, and in the main illegal immigration was one issue, but by no means the only one. The rest of the pyramid scheme will fold eventually.