Why Do The Labour Party (& Other Socialist) Give The Impression That They Are Anti-Sematic?

[willbewhatiwill]

Why Ken Livingstone et al said Hitler was a Zionist? Perhaps they feel Jews should not conquer land (like Hitler) in Palestine. It is anti-Semitic to attack Jewish race, CULTURE, RELIGION, etc, rather than Israeli government policies.

Zionism is a movement originally establishment for the development and protection of a Jewish homeland as stated in the Torah/Old Testament.

Judaism believes Moses brought the Israeli tribes from bondage in Egypt to a 'land flowing with milk & honey', as they are God's (Jehovah's) chosen people with a right to live in the historical boundaries of Israel. Moses also gave the Jews Ten Commandments & various aspects of Jewish Law at Mount Sinai - hence founding the religion of Judaism.
Hence any statements about removing Jews from their homeland, who according to Moses (founder of Judaism) given to them by God as 'God's chosen people' are definitely anti-Sematic.

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Is English your first language?

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And 'sematic' is spelt semitic.

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Why were my answers removed?

[willbewhatiwill]

scooping,
Of course my first language is English.
You can only write one or two rude sentences.
You are NO President Reagan. Unlike you, President Regan use relevant logic and facts to counter arguments.

[cassa333]

They don't believe they are anti Semitic so they probably couldn't answer.

But I suspect it is because they try sooooo hard to be all things to all men they end up looking like right pratts in some areas.

By espousing the rights of one group over another you alienate the other so it is tricky to be fair to everyone.

It does rather seem that usually they look at a situation, find the underdog and (((regardless of the right or wrong))) take their side.

[willbewhatiwill]

cassa333,

I agree with you about Socialist taking the sides of the underdog, whom they (often mistakenly) believe they have to protect. Socialist would, in my opinion, easily associate (1) being underdog with (2) being right but oppressed. This association are not always correct, as being underdog could well be the result being wrong.

Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell (Shadow Chancellor) has been reported to support the IRA and giving sovereignty to the Argentinians. For example:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

[ToraToraTora]

they don't "give the impression" they actually are anti semitic. Labour have also had a lot of terrorist supporters and anti British over the years. Kim Jong Jezza is a well know sympathiser of Islamic terror groups, described Bin Laden's death as a "tragedy" - then there's McDonnell, supported Argentina in 1982 and a regular supporter of the IRA. Not to mention many anti British pro terror Labour back benchers. Makes you wonder how they get elected.

[willbewhatiwill]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/24/jeremy-corbyn-power-sharing-deal-falkland-islands-argentina reports, "Jeremy Corbyn has told Argentinian diplomats he wants a Northern Ireland-style power-sharing deal for the Falkland Islands"

Why do this statements lack foresight? Because:

1. In a referendum (2013), over 90% of all Falkanders wanted UK to remain to have sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
2. Letting another country having joint sovereignty over a British Overseas Territory creates a precedent for joint-sovereignty for all 14 British Overseas Territories (which include Gibraltar).
3. Such statement is likely to further inflame UK-Argentinian stance on the Falklands.
4. Demeaning the sacrifice British Armed Forces who bravely fought the Falklands War in the early 1980s.
5. Jeopardising British interests at home and abroad.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21750909 reported, "Of 1,517 votes cast in the two-day referendum - on a turnout of more than 90% - 1,513 were in favour, while just three votes were against".

[Old_Geezer]

In my opinion any criticism of the Israeli activity is immediately labelled anti-Semitic but much of it is not. In the Palestinian/Israeli both sides have done things they should be ashamed of. The UN's awarding of the land to the Jews didn;t so much solve an issue as create one; but what is done is done and one can only hope they find a solution that both can accept even if they moan about it.

As for Labour, I've not studied the situation closely but much of it seems to be either unwarranted name calling, or taking an opposing view to those who sympathise more with the Palestinian plight than the Israeli one. It doesn't help discussion and understanding.

[willbewhatiwill]

Old_Geezer stated, ""taking an opposing view to those who sympathise more with the Palestinian plight than the Israeli one"

Hi! Nice to hear from you again.

I do not believe it is a matter of taking the opposite view to those who are pro-Palestinian. Palestinian terrorists had intimidate, kidnap, kill, slaughter, bomb, massacre thousands of innocent people for several decades now.

[ichkeria]

"In my opinion any criticism of the Israeli activity is immediately labelled anti-Semitic but much of it is not."

That's right. We've discussed this before: there is a huge difference between anti-semitism and anti-Zionism, although the latter can often stem from the former. Some on the left in particular have always had an issue with the creation of the state of Israel as indeed do many on the right. Naked anti-semitism I suspect is not wedded to the far left or the far right necessarily, although the far right Breitbart website in America is notably anti-semitic, and of course one of its former leading lights is the man behind Trump.
And then there was Hitler, of course, although some argue he was a leftie :-)

[douglas9401]

'Why Do The Labour Party (& Other Socialist) Give The Impression That They Are Anti-Sematic?'

Not sure. I think the Jewry's still out.

[Jackdaw33]

I like it, Douglas.

[willbewhatiwill]

I like this Israel entry in Eurovision song contest in 1978:

[willbewhatiwill]

Footage of Falklands War:

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Are you still sure that English is your first language? Your latest effort is gibberish.

[willbewhatiwill]

scooping,
'Gibberish'? Try reading comics instead. They only have only few sentences suitable - for with poor reading & critical comprehension skills.