Us Notifies Un Of Paris Climate Deal Pullout

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40829987

Trump would appear to be a climate-change denier !

Would any of Trump's dwindling band of groupies, here on AB, like to comment ?

[Zacs-Master]

You make it so easy tho Naomi.

[naomi24]

Zacs, I still don't know which question you're talking about, but if you say I've answered it, fine.

[naomi24]

Zacs, I like to humour those with knots in their knickers. ;o)

[Khandro]

Jim; The fluctuations are a lot quicker than that, NASA claim the between 1998 and 2008 there was no warming at all and some statistics show that since then the planet is actually cooling
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/upsDownsGlobalWarming.html

[jim360]

I hope the "his" is meant to be Trump's style of debate rather than mine, ZM...

Naomi, I can only go on what I see from Trump and what I read into what he's doing and the research I've done behind that. At best, I am sure that Trump thinks that is doing has the US's interests at heart, but being honest and wrong is still to be wrong.

Besides, the Paris Climate Agreement was about trying to put the world's interests ahead of national ones. I don't think it entirely achieved that, but any effort to combat man-made Climate Change requires nations to put national interests second to global ones.

[Zacs-Master]

Now you're sounding like AOG. You do realise we can all see through your diversionary tactics and schoolyard rebuttals, don't you?

[Zacs-Master]

Of course it did Jim.

[jim360]

Those aren't variations in Earth's orbit, though, Khandro, which is what I thought you were referring to earlier. El Nino's also a rather huge factor, and yes, natural effects have an impact, but... well, look, I've done this argument before, you've ignored it before, there's a limit to how much I can repeat what I said before. It's a signal-to-background problem. Natural effects make a (large) background, and human effects make the signal, and it is possible to extract the signal from the background and see the effect that human activity has led to in recent Climate trends.

[jim360]

In fact, Khandro, your link probably makes the point better than I could, to be honest. There's no reason to expect a perfect correspondence between greenhouse gas levels and temperature. Life just isn't that simple. But the effect remains, all the same.

[naomi24]

Jim, you talk about being wrong, but I’ve read enough from you to know that regardless of what he says or does, like many others you will have the knives out. That is disingenuous – and that, in my opinion, is wrong.

[jim360]

It's difficult to read much of what Trump says seriously, to be sure. But I try to find other sources before I pull the knife out.

[naomi24]

Jim, //But I try to find other sources before I pull the knife out. //

So the impression I've gained is correct. The knife is permanently 'in'.

[Zacs-Master]

Disingenuous to criticise someone who says that climate change is a fabrication of the Chinese! C'mon.

Disingenuous: not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

Now which world leader does that remind you of the most?

[jim360]

That's not what I meant, as I'm sure you know really. I was just borrowing your metaphor ironically in the first place; if I meant anything by it then I meant "Pull the knife out of my pocket" or something.

If you believe Trump's motivated by the economy, and in particular if you are going to defend him based on that, then it seems worth checking that his claims about the economic effects of Paris are true. If you aren't going to do that, it's your choice, but it does give your defences of Trump rather little weight.

[Zacs-Master]

Naomi, Trump's hand is oft on the haft of said knife. If only he'd just shut up once in a while, his credibility might regain its composure.

[naomi24]

Jim, //I meant anything by it then I meant "Pull the knife out of my pocket" or something. //

What a wag! ;o)

[Zacs-Master]

Naomi, what do you make of Trump's current approval rating, which is almost a mirror of Obama's at the same point in his tenure? 36% approval / 58% dissaproval?

[naomi24]

Zacs, I don’t make anything of it. Whether Trump is president or not is irrelevant to me. My argument ‘for’ him arises solely from my abhorrence of witch hunts which is what he is being subjected to. I’d defend anyone in a similar situation - even you, Jim, and Mikey. ;o)

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

What's all this about, one of the usual Leffties using the Daily Mail to try and get his argument over?

[Zacs-Master]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've said all that before. It would be a noble statement if your support were seen to be worth anything but constantly sticking up for someone who constantly makes himself the justified target of ridicule, makes it a fatuous remark.
There is no witch hunt, merely criticism of a man who clearly has no idea what it takes to be a president.