Finally, It's Offical

[youngmafbog]

Something some of us without rose tinted specicles have said for a long time but were howled down as Rasicts and xenophobics.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4960188/Pakistani-women-UK-shockingly-badly-integrated.html

[anotheoldgit]

Why bother with them if that is the life style they wish to follow, why should we interfere?

[woofgang]

What an odd article.....I wonder what they mean by "shockingly badly integrated" I mean by whose definition?

[TWR]

Dare not put an opinion on this!!

[jackthehat]

I don't remember anyone being howled down as either a racist or a xenophobe when talking about this issue.

In fact, I don't remember the (non) integration of Muslim women being much discussed on AB.

It is certainly an issue that deserves proper discussion rather than the foaming rants that occur when attempts are made to discuss Muslim men.

[ummmm]

How are they expected to integrate when they don't speak English?

[Old_Geezer]

Well I'm sure they can be encouraged to integrate more. Probably needs the help of more enlightened members of that community though, to suggest ways of communicating well to those unfortunates.

[ummmm]

AOG - we don't know if that's the lifestyle they wish to follow.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm
/// AOG - we don't know if that's the lifestyle they wish to follow. ///

If not, then some action should be taken against those who are preventing them from leading a normal lifestyle.

[Old_Geezer]

I'm unsure what AOG's position is on it, but two things. They don't know what they prefer until they've experienced options, and they can't whilst "kept in the dark", and there is a moral duty to integrate reasonably with the nation one chooses to live in. It's only polite to be part of the community not remain isolated and ignoring it.

[maggiebee]

What on earth does 'shockingly badly integrated' mean. When in New York we visited "Chinatown" where they have their own shops, schools etc. Some have lived there all their lives and barely speak English. No problem as far as I can see - down to personal choice most of the time.

[anotheoldgit]

Perhaps some would wish all Pakistani women to be dragged from their homes, so as to attend classes in English and made aware of benefits which they may be entitled to?

[jno]

want to provide a link to some posts you've made about Pakistani women that were howled down as racist and xenophobic, as you claim?

[kvalidir]

Lots of first and second generation immigrants of all nationalities have kept to themselves historically both here and in the US, it's not unusual. I think there is a case for requiring anyone who lives here to learn English but that's about it tbh, you can't force instant change on a culture, it just doesn't work, it has to be a gradual and growing process. As long as settling families adhere to all the laws here I can't see what it is anyone is proposing or why they wish to propose it.

[zebo]

You may be sure that the benefits they are 'entitled' to will not go unclaimed. These are some of the people with access to postal voting so the men in their families get two ticks. This certainly isn't new, it was widespread in the 60s and 70s when I worked in Bradford, there are now second or third generations of women who do not integrate because they're not allowed to.

[youngmafbog]

jno; No.

[youngmafbog]

Quite Zebo, add to that the cost to tax payers in funding interpreters and leaflets etc in foreign languages and it does become appalling. No attempt to integrate at all.

Hopefully though by 3rd generation it should die out.

[hc4361]

Not much different from the many British ex-pat communities around the world, that only socialise with other Brits, only eat and drink in British cafes and bars, employ Brits to do their building work, car servicing, taxi-ing and only speak English. I know many people who live abroad that are exactly like that.

[jno]

I thought not. Always interesting to see how many threads are started on the basis of no evidence.

[bhg481]

Yes hc4361. My brother-in-law was exactly like that whilst complaining about the immigrant conclaves in the Lancashire mill towns where he was brought up.

[Old_Geezer]

They should try not to be. That stated I'd suspect that the countries where you find our ex-pats tend not to have too diverse a culture to our own. They'd probably already be within a reasonable definition of the local norms. So it's they themselves that lose out by not getting even more involved. One can't expect temporary tourist visitors to integrate too much, but longer term residents should.