Utah Nurse Gets $500,000 In Blood Arrest Row

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41827040

Nice ending for this poor woman. Perhaps the Police will think twice about
their boorish behaviour next time.

[ummmm]

You're not allowed to take blood in the UK either without permission?

[Bazile]

sqad - don't forget we are talking the US here .

Surely it should have been James Tracy, his watch commander , who should have been sacked ?
Afterall, it was he who instructed the officer to make the arrest

[Mamyalynne]

Mention here of where some of the award will go.

If the Police have good reason for wanting a sample of blood they should use the correct legal process.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/10/31/utah-nurse-arrested-for-blocking-cop-from-drawing-blood-from-patient-receives-500000-settlement/

[Peter Pedant]

// Personally, I think the police can, or should be allowed to, take blood from people in hospital. //

nope your permission is required (UK)
( road traffic act - there are measures to co-erce but I am not sure how that works)
you can be confidentiality workd in the UK

if little nursey is sashaying up a corridor with a spessy and a policeman says oo can I have some of that - the answer is a straight no

A+Es are not prisons

[Peter Pedant]

mamaz headline is wrong
the nurse did not block the policeman from taking a speciment
he wasnt gonna take it - she was ( sort of)

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/15/university-of-utah-police-chief-admits-his-department-could-have-stepped-up-instead-of-standing-by-during-nurses-arrest/

has more embarassing details - three police forces involved - two stand by and watch Wubbels being man-handled
and then one says - hey I can get you to the Burns unit where you could obtain blood

[Peter Pedant]

and the police did not have a good reason.....
back story is here
the commentary is over the top
I wondered why there were nt subtitles for the script - some of it pretty off the wall.
spoiler - the supposed perp is in fact a burn victim and a part time police officer - the police say things like 'oops I dont think we shoulda done this.'

[Mamyalynne]

I didn't write a headline.

[Peter Pedant]

//Pity your pedantry isn't used in your posts, PP.//
put your glasses on - umm!

//mamaz headline is wrong // PP
// I didn't write a headline. // MM

actually pedantically or not - the headline is still wrong
and I made no comment about who wrote it
( mamaz is therefore attributive and not authorial - Dicken's Bleak House - Dicken wrote it - Mamaz Bleak House - her copy)

haha and umm said I dont use pedantry in my posts
yes I do umm if you read them properly !

OK the articlle that Mama cited has an inaccurate headline
MM - its not an article - OK, the piece that Mama

The viddie I posted ( but hey mama I didnt make the viddie!) is still worth a look

[Mamyalynne]

Thanks for that Video Peter.

[albaqwerty]

sometimes, just sometimes, it's as if one is trying to decipher what a 5 year has written.
(or am I getting confused with TTT's attempts at rhyming slang?)

[Bazile]

alba

What's with you ?
I thought everybody on here understood PP's prose

[Mamyalynne]

The video Peter has posted shows more footage and speech of the incident, you can take or discount the narrators angle but the content is illuminating.

[ummmm]

Albs - I'd make my 5 year old start again!!

[mikey4444]

I would like to thank PP for the video as well.

I was sure that the Officer was in the wrong, but after seeing this video, I am now completely sure.

Its obvious that it was right to sack the Officer, but I now think he should have been charged and prosecuted as well.

[Mamyalynne]

Peter was largely responding to my comment - I understood him - for what it's worth.

[hc4361]

In the UK an unconscious hospital patient can have a blood sample taken from them at the request of a police officer without a warrant.

[Peter Pedant]

//In the UK an unconscious hospital patient can have a blood sample taken from them at the request of a police officer without a warrant.//

are you sure hc ?
can I have chapter and verse ?

( note to the dimwits above to save ten posts of
"what dat den chapty and verse?" and "my ten year old cant read or write so HE doesnt know what PP is on about again - I asked him this time!")

hc can you cite the statute or case where that is allowed ? (UK law)

[hc4361]

PP, I refer you to s.7a of The Road Traffic Act 1988

[Peter Pedant]

hc

https://www.bma.org.uk/-/media/files/pdfs/.../takingbloodfromdriversjuly2010.pdf


I would say NO
you may say YES

that is for slow readers
the document can support my contention you cant ( take blood from an uncon.....)
or
the document can support HC's contention you can ( take blood ....)

Those with reading difficulties - stop reading at the top !
(sorry that was another joke)

[Peter Pedant]

hc

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/7

eek Jesus which bit ?

as far as I can see -
the police constable can require
but the him is the driver
and not a passing doctor in A+E

( and since it was 1988....I am sure I would have heard of this you know )

BMA doc page 3
Although doctors are legally permitted to take blood, they cannot be required to do so.

settles it innit /

( slow readers - dont even try this
your head will go like that guy in 'scanners'. it isnt a real head but a melon filled with blood )