Radical Islam V The Far-Right

[anotheoldgit]

Going on a past thread, there seems more support for radical Islam than there is towards Far-Right Groups, so I ask who are the most dangerous?

[jim360]

I figured that Protestantism and Orthodox Christianity were also Christianity, so I don't quite see why Catholicism deserves a capital "IS".

Also, one example? Apartheid, perhaps (motivated heavily by the DRC's interpretation of Christianity). Or the rampant homophobia in Africa right now. So that'll do.

[Khandro]

jim; I'm afraid you are wrong again, twice. Apartheid had nothing to do with religion, it was the suppression of the blacks by the whites, nothing to do with the teachings of Christianity, it was about power and territory - as nearly all war and subjugation has been throughout history.
Homophobia exists and has existed everywhere, also regardless of religion, unless you refer to the modern Islamic fundamental zealots, which I have already mentioned.

[jim360]

I can't help but draw the impression that you hold Religion responsible for none of the evils of the World unless it's Islam.

I don't recognise your criticisms, that demonstrate an understanding of history and culture roughly speaking on a parallel with your grasp of science.

[Khandro]

OOOOH ! When the personal insults come out, you know you that the person is running out of argument.
Apartheid, homophobia and war - you are wrong on all counts.
but I have to say, no one else is throwing homosexuals off roof tops other than radical Islamists.

[jim360]

With respect to homophobia, I'm hardly arguing that Christianity is the *only* source of that. But it's the predominant one in Africa right now. Evangelical Christians can be particularly vociferous in their condemnation of "sodomy", as they call it, and right now Evangelical Christianity is quite an important player in African politics.

Of course one can find the same through other religions, and even without religion playing a role, but it's not exactly uncontroversial that people going on about "the Bible says Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve", or that homosexuality is "against God's Will" (from the (Evangelical Christian) Ugandan President) are drawing their inspiration from Christianity, or a particularly extreme interpretation of it. Since in Africa homosexual activities are illegal in many countries (more than 30 of the 55), then yes, it does cause hardship.

[jim360]

(As you can see, I was busying myself actually refuting your arguments.)

[bednobs]

This is rather like a debate on who is best, men or women. there is no answer.
I have NEVER seen anyone on here support radical islamism (by my definition of radical islamism) and i read most evenings (and daytimes if i'm off work). I would be interested to see the thread you refer to, where people have supported radical islamism. Because those threads need to be reported to the the police if they exist, and we all have a duty to do so. Ditto with support for far right extremism.
in my opinion, both forms of extremism are as bad as each other

[hereIam]

Radical islam, for sure.

[ummmm]

I've never seen anyone support radical Islam either.

[sp1814]

jim360

I bet you’ve noticed that the most rabidly anti-gay right wingers suddenly become allies of gay people when they start talking about Islam.

However, the moment the news cycle changes to stories about same-sex marriage, adoption, transgender issues etc - they leap back into bed with the fundamentalist.

There is such a high stink of hypocrisy, that even a lorry-full of Febreze couldn’t clear the smell.

[sp1814]

Great, great, great post from bednobs.

Personally, the ideal would be NATO investing in an island in the Pacific, 2,400 miles from the next human being, where every radicalised Islamist, and every hard Right moron could be flown in, and left to battle it out.

Perhaps the ensuing fight could be televised, now that House Of Cards is probably going to be cancelled.

The audience figures would be out of this world.

[Khandro]

jim; //[They] are drawing their inspiration from Christianity //
Another specious argument, homophobes are contra homosexuality per se, not because they are Christians, from where are the atheist homophobes (and there's plenty of them in Africa) drawing their inspiration?

[jim360]

Why are you assuming that there must necessarily be one cause? I'm well aware that atheist homophobes are, for reasons I don't think I'll ever quite understand, a thing. But the problem in Africa right now demonstrably, and unambiguously, draws a great deal of its roots from Evangelical Christianity.

[ludwig]

// Personally, the ideal would be NATO investing in an island in the Pacific, 2,400 miles from the next human being, where every radicalised Islamist, and every hard Right moron could be flown in, and left to battle it out. //

I agree. The mentality is the same whatever label they stick on it or stupid flag or uniform they snivel behind. Fascist zealotry, which is why they are potentially as dangerous as each other.

You alluded to the Nazis sp. Islamists would be committing murder on the same scale if they had the chance, without question.

[bednobs]

PS arent radical islamits far right anyway?

[keyplus90]

For me neither are as dangerous as countries that depend on the sale of their weapons...................because those are the countries behind bloodshed all over the world. Because equation is very simple. No wars (bloodshed) = no profit

[sp1814]

bednobs

Good point - they are on the far right. But to clarify, by Far Right (capitalised), in referring to BF, the BNP and EDL. I’m sure there are others, but those are the most draggy of the knucklers.

[david small]

Radical Islam by far the most dangerous. Followed by the extreme left.

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

You are much more likely to be murdered on the streets of Britain by a radical islamic terrorist than a far-right group member.

[bednobs]

i have yet to see any threads where people are supporting radical islamists though ...