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Brexit On Eu Terms. Uk Housts The White Flag
// When the time came to hoist the white flag, the cabinet’s swashbuckling Brexiters were nowhere to be seen. Instead, it was left to civil servants to hammer out the terms of Britain’s expensive retreat from the EU, settling a divorce bill that could pave the way for a wider exit agreement struck almost entirely on terms demanded by Brussels. //
Oh dear. Davis, Fox and Johnson have be found wanting. Despite all the rhetoric and fighting talk, they have just caved in. Paying a huge bill.
Should they be replace for the probably more crucial and long term trade agreement talks ?
Oh dear. Davis, Fox and Johnson have be found wanting. Despite all the rhetoric and fighting talk, they have just caved in. Paying a huge bill.
Should they be replace for the probably more crucial and long term trade agreement talks ?
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Here's the joint report, if anyone has time to read it properly
Here's the joint report, if anyone has time to read it properly
Farage has spoken:
// For the sake of the country, the Tories must ditch Theresa May – before it's too late.
And so Theresa May has got her deal. But at what cost? To the 17.4 million Britons who voted to leave the EU, I would argue a heavy one. For the plain fact is that the UK remains a member of the EU in all but name. This is a fudge, as anyone who cares to be honest with themselves will acknowledge.
According to the terms as they appear this morning, vast sums of public money will continue to flow from the UK to Brussels. Britain will continue to be in the grip of the European Court of Justice. And no trade deals can be struck yet because of the transition zone in which the UK will be stuck. //
// For the sake of the country, the Tories must ditch Theresa May – before it's too late.
And so Theresa May has got her deal. But at what cost? To the 17.4 million Britons who voted to leave the EU, I would argue a heavy one. For the plain fact is that the UK remains a member of the EU in all but name. This is a fudge, as anyone who cares to be honest with themselves will acknowledge.
According to the terms as they appear this morning, vast sums of public money will continue to flow from the UK to Brussels. Britain will continue to be in the grip of the European Court of Justice. And no trade deals can be struck yet because of the transition zone in which the UK will be stuck. //
It is a complete shambles allowed to happen by a weak Prime Minister who wanted to remain in the EU all along.
It was stated on the radio this morning, that there would be no hard border in Ireland, so what's stopping hordes of migrants from the EU crossing the border and getting on the next ferry to England?
It was also announced that there would be a 2 year transition period, when the UK would have to obey any present EU rules and any new ones made in that two year period.
Much much worse is to come, at one stage in the future PM May, may have to ditch her Irish coalition and climb into bed with Labour to get certain things through Parliament.
It was stated on the radio this morning, that there would be no hard border in Ireland, so what's stopping hordes of migrants from the EU crossing the border and getting on the next ferry to England?
It was also announced that there would be a 2 year transition period, when the UK would have to obey any present EU rules and any new ones made in that two year period.
Much much worse is to come, at one stage in the future PM May, may have to ditch her Irish coalition and climb into bed with Labour to get certain things through Parliament.
//Tusk said today’s agreement is obviously the personal success of Prime Minister Theresa May but warned: "We all know the most difficult challenge is still ahead. So much time has been devoted to the easier part of the task."
Crucially May said she will "guarantee" no return of a hard border to Northern Ireland - something she had previously stopped short of.
And she said the divorce bill to the EU will be "fair to British taxpayers", allowing us to "invest more in schools and the NHS". She did not repeat the entirely wrong £350m-a-week figure used Brexiteers.
DUP leader Arlene Foster welcomed the news of a soft border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
"Brexit created great uncertainty for those citizens and their families," he said. "Today, we bring back the certainty."
Crucially, he said "the same goes for UK citizens living in the EU27."
This implies May has finally won the "reciprocal" promise she wanted that all British expats living in the EU can stay there.
But it appears to have come at a cost of extra compromise.
The hardline DUP agreed to May's deal on the Northern Ireland border last night after several changes.
The PM arrived grinning before 6am UK time after speaking to Juncker and Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar on the phone last night.//
I like that last line . :))
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Crucially May said she will "guarantee" no return of a hard border to Northern Ireland - something she had previously stopped short of.
And she said the divorce bill to the EU will be "fair to British taxpayers", allowing us to "invest more in schools and the NHS". She did not repeat the entirely wrong £350m-a-week figure used Brexiteers.
DUP leader Arlene Foster welcomed the news of a soft border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
"Brexit created great uncertainty for those citizens and their families," he said. "Today, we bring back the certainty."
Crucially, he said "the same goes for UK citizens living in the EU27."
This implies May has finally won the "reciprocal" promise she wanted that all British expats living in the EU can stay there.
But it appears to have come at a cost of extra compromise.
The hardline DUP agreed to May's deal on the Northern Ireland border last night after several changes.
The PM arrived grinning before 6am UK time after speaking to Juncker and Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar on the phone last night.//
I like that last line . :))
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From the joint statement:
//The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible, the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement."
This appears to be saying that in the absence of an agreement, the whole UK - not NI - will revert not to WTO but to " maintain[ing] full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation."
I might be being cynical here, but as far as I can tell, all that either side needs to do to effectively spring the UK back to EU membership is "not progress" on the next phase of talks. This seems like quite a major bait and switch: i.e. the default destination of the UK in the absence of a deal is no longer WTO terms, but something akin to membership.
//The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible, the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement."
This appears to be saying that in the absence of an agreement, the whole UK - not NI - will revert not to WTO but to " maintain[ing] full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation."
I might be being cynical here, but as far as I can tell, all that either side needs to do to effectively spring the UK back to EU membership is "not progress" on the next phase of talks. This seems like quite a major bait and switch: i.e. the default destination of the UK in the absence of a deal is no longer WTO terms, but something akin to membership.
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