Kate Hoey Retains Her Eu Citizenship

[Gromit]

Arch hard brexiteer will retain her EU citizenship in a compromise deal on the Irish Border issue. Everyone born in NI will still be a EU citizen after brexit.

NI voted overwhelming to remain, so that probably pleases most northern Irish.

Perhaps anyone who voted remain should have the option of keeping their EU passport - Scotland, London etc ?

[ichkeria]

I'm happy for myself.
Shame you had to mention That Woman tho ...

[mikey4444]

Due to my late Father's Irish origin, I could apply for an Irish Passport !

[naomi24]

Go on then.

[ichkeria]

I don't think Hoey is an irish citizen is she?

[mikey4444]

I won't as I can see no point in so doing.

In my younger years, I did meet some people from NI, who had dual passports, as they found that having a "neutral" Passport was useful in crossing borders.

[Gromit]

Ich,
Hoey is not a Republic of Ireland citizen. She was born in northern Ireland, meaning she keeps her UK and EU citizenship.

[naomi24]

What's a 'neutral' passport?

[ichkeria]

I don't have an irish passport but I will be applying for one now.
The report doesn't explicitly say that Irish citizens NOT born in Ireland will get the same benefits.

[mikey4444]

A Passport from a neutral country Naomi !

[ichkeria]

Gromit, according to the report, only Irish citizens born in NI will continue to be citizens of the EU. That means holding an irish passport as I understand it. I think the DUP would blow a fuse if they thought all citiszens of NI were regarded as Irish citizens by default :-)

[emmie]

I didn't vote to remain, and no one i know did either, i would like my British passport back the nice blue one, thank you very much........

[naomi24]

Sorry Mikey, not with you. Neutral to what?

[ToraToraTora]

there is no EU passport gromit, but yes I think it is a good idea to give people the option of remaining EU citizens if it can be administered. I think it was mentioned early on anyway.

[mikey4444]

Naomi....you are hard work sometimes !

Ireland remained neutral during World War II, a period it described as the Emergency. Ireland's link with the Commonwealth was terminated with the passage of the Republic of Ireland Act 1948, which came into force on 18 April 1949 and declared that the state was a republic. At the time, a declaration of a republic terminated Commonwealth membership. This rule was changed 10 days after Ireland declared itself a republic, with the London Declaration of 28 April 1949. Ireland did not reapply when the rules were altered to permit republics to join. Later, the Crown of Ireland Act was repealed in Ireland by the Statute Law Revision (Pre-Union Irish Statutes) Act, 1962.

[naomi24]

Mikey, ancient history but a nice bit of copying and pasting. The point I’m making is an Irish passport isn’t ‘neutral’. The Republic of Ireland is a member of the EU.

[Togo]

//Ireland remained neutral during World War II, a period it described as the Emergency.//
Remained neutral? Because of the consequences of the Royal Navy?
Best remember how the men who signed up with Britain to fight fascism were duly treated there after it was over.

[mikey4444]

Togo....yes indeed.....including the 4,987 recorded members of the Irish Defence Forces. But they fought for Britain, not Ireland.

They were treated appallingly by the Irish Government when the war was over, until an ""apology and pardon" was grudgingly forced out of the Dáil, in 2013.

Eire may have thought that had Germany won WW2, then the Nazis would have stayed north of the Border, and left Eire unmolested, but as far as I am concerned, that was just a pipe dream.

Not Eire's finest hour, by any means.

[Togo]

//An estimated 60,000 men from what was then the Irish Free State – now the Republic of Ireland – served in the British Army, Royal Navy or RAF between 1939 and 1945. //

Of those men were the one in six of the 42,000 members of the Irish armed forces who deserted and joined the British in fighting the Nazis.

//While many returned to their posts or were apprehended, almost 5,000 were found guilty in their absence by courts martial of going absent without leave or simply dismissed.
After the war, under an emergency act dubbed the “starvation order”, their names were added to a formal blacklist by the government of Éamon de Valera, barring them from employment, refusing them military pensions.
Many were ostracised in their local communities and suffered other forms of discrimination when they returned to Ireland. //

[mikey4444]

That was disgraceful Togo, something I think is now (nearly) universally accepted.

I wonder what the figures are now, for Eire citizens serving in the British Armed Forces ?

[Togo]

That is how "neutral" Eire was. Pretty sure that Winston told de Valera that if one U Boat was allowed to dock or sail from an Irish port then Britain would take military action. This was after the revelation that "talks" had taken place between Berlin and Dublin to facilitate just such a thing. By "neutral" you mean neutered.