Question For Gromit............

[ToraToraTora]

Have you ever supported the UK on any subject? Have you always sided with the opposition on every little detail? Have you always spun our wins as losses and our losses as catastrophies?

[jackthehat]

Do you have a newspaper-link to go with your question, TGT?

[ToraToraTora]

Gromit is not in the papers, well not as gromit anyway, he's probably that EU Barmpot bloke.

[anneasquith]

This is news category .

[TheChair]

Fol de rol

[Gromit]

// Have you ever supported the UK on any subject? //

- Yes, many times.

Have you always sided with the opposition on every little detail? //

- Nope, not me.

// Have you always spun our wins as losses and our losses as catastrophies? //

- Not guilty.

The truth is, the Leavers, despite campaigning for four decades to exit the EU, did not have a clue how this process would happen, and how much it would cost. Now we know. Many leavers are delusional, saying we can walk away without honouring our debts, and we can build a beautiful big border wall to keep the EU out. As is now apparent, we cannot do either of those things.

I would not say today is a catastrophe. A negotiation is a negotiation - neither side gets everything it wants. Saying that, £50billion is a lot more than I, even at my most pessimistic, thought we would paying.

[jackthehat]

That's what I thought.......so why have you put your question in the News Section?

[ichkeria]

Have you ever considered that maybe both sides of the fence support Britain, but just have different ideas of the best way to go about it?

[ichkeria]

"£50billion is a lot more than I, even at my most pessimistic, thought we would paying. "

At the rate of the £350 million a week saved we'll recoup that soon enough ;-)

[-Talbot-]

The truth is, the Leavers, despite campaigning for four decades to exit the EU, did not have a clue how this process would happen, and how much it would cost. Now we know.



Irrelevant.

[ToraToraTora]

it's in news because that's where most of these discussions take place.
Gromit at 10:39, I have never seen any evidence of support for the UK in my entire time here. You hide it well.

[-Talbot-]

It's a chatterbank Q

[ichkeria]

"The truth is, the Leavers, despite campaigning for four decades to exit the EU, did not have a clue how this process would happen, and how much it would cost. Now we know. "

Exactly. And this is compounded, I believe, by the change to the referendum question from YES/NO to REMAIN/LEAVE. Rather than asking for acceptance or rejection it forced people to use an action verb one way or the other. I am not saying they should not have done that, but a lot of people must seriously have thought it was the same as walking out the door. Possibly even the next day.

[Gromit]

Talbot-

// Irrelevant //
- Possibly.

Brexit IS happening, but the brexiteers are still not happy, as if it isn’t quite what they dreamed of.

[-Talbot-]

Amazing how often 'some' isn't included in a post when it should actually make appearance

[ToraToraTora]

Gromit, the brexiters are unhappy because of the way it's been handled, we could just leave full stop and we have been kyboshed by the vichy british adding unnecessary complexity so they can feed their desire to be verified as what they think is "correct". Then those some people take the rise out of the deal and label it as a failure when it is them that caused it. We should have issue A50 in June 24th 2016 and not agreed to any of their BS.

[Gromit]

- Talbot,

‘Some’ - Possibly. But judging from my real ife encounters, AB posts and the newspapers, finding an happy brexiteer at the moment is as rare as Jean Claude Juncker with an empty wine glass.

[Kromovaracun]

It is not patriotic to support the government if you believe it is harming the country.

'My country, right or wrong' is a deluded mentality which is extremely dangerous.

[jim360]

"We should have issue [sic] A50 in June 24th 2016 ..."

Except, as the Supreme Court ruled, this was unconstitutional.

"we could just leave full stop"

Except that this would amount to sticking two fingers up to the people we would then want to sort out a new deal with anyway in order to, you know, trade stuff (as well as the rest of the world who would see the UK as unreliable partners in any treaty if they just abandon the ones they signed before).

It should be obvious even from your armchair that Brexit was never going to be simply a matter of days in the sorting and no-one would notice the difference. Pointing that out, acknowledging it, and working around the inevitable problems, is neither unpatriotic nor a "Vichy" mentality.

[Gromit]

Tora,
Sorry, I thought Theresa May was in charge, and David Davis headed the Department for Exiting the EU. I had under estimated my own involvement. I thought my witterings on AB mainly fell on deaf ears, it is gratifying to know that I influenced the result.

The Government is solely responsible for the success or failure of our exiting. Nowt to go with me.

[Kromovaracun]

Don't be silly Gromit, everyone knows that if you criticise Brexit (or even just the implementation of it) in any way, you are undermining its success and harming the national interest via a mysterious and very potent magic spell called "talking the country down."