Damian Green Goes

[Peter Pedant]

another Liar MP goes down the tube

altho he was in the news for possibly looking at porn
he fiddled Kate Maltby when he said he hadnt

Theresa May - 'I have therefore asked for your resignation'
I can't recollect a minister going with that reproof echoiong in his ears

[jno]

I suppose David Davis will have to resign now, having promised to do so if Green was forced out.

Anyone think he will?

[mikey4444]

Anne...yes, you are right...Green DID lie.

[anneasquith]

Oh, David Davis is going, ?

[mikey4444]

Davies might fall on his sword of course, but somehow I don't think he will....after all, Theresa needs him more than every now.

[jno]

he said he would, anne

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/01/david-davis-hints-theresa-may-could-resign-damian-greenis-sacked/

but ... you know ... things change. We must all move on.

[mikey4444]

lol JNO !

[anneasquith]

Its a wait and see situation then ,as to how honourable Mr. Davis is ?

[albaqwerty]

I have a suspicion that Mr Davis will say either he has been misquoted or 'taken out of context'

[mikey4444]

Alba...yes, one of those old standbys will suit !

[Gromit]

The First stage of Brexit negotiations have been a disaster, taking far too long, and leaving very little time for the important stuff that comes next.
Davis has been an obstacle, and the deal was done only when the PM personally took charge. Even then, Davis appeared not to have understood the deal and had to be corrected.
So it would be no loss if Davis resigned. We might actually get someone with an understanding of trade and working out deals, which is missing from Davis’ CV.

[mikey4444]

Gromit....I think you are right, but Tory Ministers rarely resign, unless they are given a firm push from behind, which can be seen by what happened to Green and Fallon.

[New Judge]

“…and The EU referendum were judged on immigration,”

Not by me (or anybody I know) it wasn’t. And criticism of the UK government (of any colour) is misplaced because immigration cannot be controlled whilst we remain an EU member.

“That prompted the forensic investigator to support his fellow officer by (probably illegally) publishing a page from his notebook.”

There’s no “probably” about it.

“I don't have any problem with Police Officers, serving or retired producing evidence.”

Is that so? Let’s imagine this then, Mikey. Your house is subject to a search under a warrant for, let’s say, stolen goods. No such goods are discovered. But in the course of the search the police find a shoe box full of pornographic pictures in your wardrobe. One of the officers makes a note of this in his notebook. A few months later, having retired, he knocks at your door and suggests you might like to make a small contribution to the “Widows & Orphans” fund to ensure this information does not reach your family’s ears. No problem with that?

“…but as he is not serving he is guilty of a past code of conduct breach. A slap on the wrist is all that will comeback to him.”

He should be investigated for “misconduct in a public office” (with which he can be charged even though he has left that public office because the actions he undertook – either photocopying or retaining his notebook without good reason – took place whilst he was still serving). The offence is indictable only (i.e. it can only be dealt with in the Crown court) and carries a maximum sentence of Life imprisonment.

As I said, I have no particularly high expectations of any Member of Parliament. They are all “here today, gone tomorrow” and for some tomorrow comes more quickly than for others. But I do have expectations that police officers and their assistants will behave properly when dealing with information they have gleaned through their privileged position.

[mikey4444]

NJ...are you suggesting that the retired Police Officer was attempting to blackmail Green ?

Going on nationwide TV would seem to be a very strange way of doing it, don't you agree ?

[naomi24]

Listening to BBC news just now. Apparently the policeman/men involved have committed a serious criminal offence. Do you think that's acceptable, Mikey?

[mikey4444]

Naomi...if the retired Police Officer is deemed to have committed a serious offence, and he is charged as such, than I am content to let justice prevail. Let the Courts decide.

But it won't bring Green back, and he still didn't resign for having porn on his computer, but for lying about it.

[New Judge]

"NJ...are you suggesting that the retired Police Officer was attempting to blackmail Green ?"

No I'm not. I was painting a hypothetical scenario for your consideration since you seem to be happy with police officers misusing the information they gain under privilege. So let's forget the "blackmail" aspect. Instead let's alter it slightly and say he found the stuff in your office at work whilst carrying out a raid there for stolen goods. He took copies and a couple of weeks later called round and showed them to your wife. Happy?

[mikey4444]

No, of course not but that isn't what happened to Green, so you analogy is entirely spurious.

For the record, I don't believe that Green was not aware of the amounts of porn on his computer. It is inconceivable that it should be present and he wasn't aware of it....in fact, it is risible.

But he was sacked last night for lying about the porn, not viewing it, and no hypothetical situations that you can think up, is going to alter that.

[naomi24]

Mikey, even more shocking is what the police did, don't you think?

[mikey4444]

If what the Policeman did is found to be illegal or a serious offence, then, as I said, I am quite prepared to accept what Courts decided.

But it still won't alter the fact that Green lied, and has paid the penalty.

But carry on with your not-so-carefully designed diversion tactic !

[naomi24]

Mikey, we know Damian Green is out of office - that's a given - but there is a diversion tactic in play here - your conveniently nonchalant attitude to police 'procedures'.