Looks Like The E U Are Bricking It...

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/896868/brexit-eu-single-market-business-finance-uk-theresa-may-europe
"There are reportedly fears on the EU side that a post-Brexit British economy, freed from the burden of EU regulation, will be able to suck jobs and investment out of Europe." - pity the VB over here don't have the same confidence in Britain that the EUSSR seem to have.

[ToraToraTora]

Well dry them out ZM and show me an example of a lie by the leave camp.

[jno]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/penny-mordaunt-uk-not-able-to-veto-turkey-joining-eu/

[Zacs-Master]

Your headline Tora.

[ToraToraTora]

jno jno jno me old VB China, I assume that English is not your first language: It says: "We send the EU £350million a week" - thats a statement, yes?? "Lets fund our NHS instead" - that's a suggestion of how we could spend that money, right? Same as if I'd said let's go down the road for a coffee, a suggestion not a promise. If that's all you can find as a "lie" I suggest you learn English.

[Jackdaw33]

If, and it's a very big IF, Turkey ever join the EU it will not be any of our concern as we'll be long gone.

[ToraToraTora]

oh dear jno, yup another problem with English, she says " I don't think we will be able to stop Turkey from joining" - that's her opinion not a definitive statement. She is basically confirming the EU method of choice of brow beating everyone into going their way. keep digging me old china!

[Gromit]

Togo,
Just looked up the Institute of Directors annual survey, and as I guessed, those results from your Daily Express cut and paste are very selective.

The full results are here:

https://www.iod.com/news-campaigns/press-office/details/Bosses-hold-on-to-optimism-amid-concerns-for-wider-economy-in-2018

Confidence for UK economy
49% pessimistic, 24% optimistic.

[Togo]

Haha the "leavers" have become the levers. The levers of power and influence. :))
Doesn't half wind up the re-mooners mind. :))

[New Judge]

There’s a good reason why the EU does not want the EU out of the single market. It’s not because they want us in, it’s because they do not want us out. There’s a considerable difference which I’ll try to explain.

Of course trade was only one aspect that voters had to consider when casting their vote (although it seems, for some unfathomable reason, to be currently trumping everything else). But sticking with it for the sake of this question, there are advantages for the UK by being in the single market. But there are considerable advantages being out of it. Principle among these advantages is that the UK can trade on its own terms with the countries that contain the 92% of the world’s population that is not in the EU without being constrained by a protectionist organisation whose member nations contain the other 8%. Part of the EU’s “negotiations” will undoubtedly involve trying to tie the UK to as many of those constraints as it can so that, whilst the EU may leave the EU, it is unable to avail itself of the single biggest advantage (in trade terms) that leaving will provide.

Of course there will have to be agreed common standards for goods and services provided (by both sides) as there are with any trade. But the EU’s protectionism goes much further than that. There is no reason, for example, that a firm making widgets for sale in the EU should have to abide by the EU’s Working Time Directive. Nor is there any reason why a firm making widgets for sale outside the EU should have to make them to the same standard as those for sale in the EU. Non-EU countries may have different standards and firms not trading in the EU (as 95% of UK countries do not) should not have to abide by EU standards. In protecting its own manufacturers the EU has enforced standards which many of its members manufacturers and traders have no need to comply with. Most importantly of all, no trade deal in the world insists, as a proviso, on freedom of movement of people in order for trade to be undertaken. This is the real reason why the Euromaniacs want to continue to control UK business and it a measure that must be fiercely resisted.

And so to Zacs’ test:

How do you feel about being lied to by the Leave campaign?
As I have said many times, I expect all politicians of every party and persuasion to tell me lies. It’s what they do. None of them had any influence on my vote to Leave, which I vowed in 1992 that I would cast that way if ever given tea chance.


What is your reaction to predicted NHS labour shortages?

I’ll worry about them if and when they occur. A statement made a few weeks ago about the number of EU citizens leaving the NHS was found to be manifestly untrue and the number of EU workers in the NHS had actually risen since the referendum (I’ll dig out the paper if required).

How do you feel about rising food prices?

Recent food price rises have nothing to do with Brexit. Furthermore, the EUs protectionist policies (particularly the Common Agricultural Policy and the Common Fisheries Policy) keep food prices in the EU high by imposing high tariffs on goods imported from elsewhere.

Do you think Britain has been weakened on the world stage?

I’m not in the slightest bit interested in the UK’s standing on the world stage. I’m more concerned with it being able to determine its own future without being dictated to by unelected foreign civil servants. No Remainer has ever explained to me why they are quite prepared to put up with this which would not be tolerated by any other democratic country in the world outside the EU. This democratic deficit will never be eradicated so long as the Euromaniacs draw breath and it is the biggest single reason why I (and many others) voted to leave. Trade and other matters will find their levels, democracy will not.

[New Judge]

^^^ First line typo:

There’s a good reason why the EU does not want the UK out of the single market.

Oh for an editing facility. (We'll have one when we leave the EU) :-)

[vetuste_ennemi]

My answers to the ZM quiz.

Q1: How do you feel about being lied to by the Leave campaign?
A1: I don't like liars.

Q2: What is your reaction to predicted NHS labour shortages?
A2: I don't believe the premises and (in some cases) the motives of the predictors (cf A1).

Q3: How do you feel about rising food prices?
A3: The removal of EU tariffs will reduce the prices of some foods. (My answer is based on what I know happened to food prices when we entered the Common Market.)

Q4: Do you think Britain has been weakened on the world stage?
A4: I hope Britain will do less strutting and fretting on that stage. I like the idea that the UK will choose who comes into the country and on what terms rather than those issues being decide by others.

PS: this quiz hasn't got much to do with truth and objectivity, has it?

[sp1814]

What does Vichy Britain mean?

I am still lost.

[Jackdaw33]

It refers to Vichy France which was left unoccupied by the Nazis on condition that they fully collaborated with them. Thus Vichy has come to mean someone who colludes with foreign hostile powers, much the same as the word Quisling has become.

[Zacs-Master]

No VE, it doesn’t have a lot to do with objectivity.

Dear Gawd.

[Ellipsis]

Meanwhile, in a parallel universe, it's all going so well. Brexit is a mere sideshow and our Government is surging forwards with a powerful program of measures to Make Britain Great Again. Brexit is hardly mentioned in the papers, with all the real news getting a good measure of attention. The DUP is as powerful as their 10 seats warrants. The economy is booming, with the huge drop in exchange rates meaning that exports are at an all time high and productivity is rocketing so that we're importing less and making more at home. The NHS is poised to take full advantage of all that extra funding that's coming its way. The whole nation thanks goodness for those brave Brexit voters, all 37% of them, that took this momentous decision through the brilliance of the electoral process put in place by the adored, recently knighted, Sir David Cameron.

[Jackdaw33]

Do I detect just a tiny note of sarcasm there?

[ToraToraTora]

sadly only 34% voted remain though, dammed inconvenient!

[THECORBYLOON]

The £350m per week was before any rebates and paments made to the UK by the EU. According to this site, the net figure was £156m per week.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

[New Judge]

"According to this site, the net figure was £156m per week."

Not worth troubling ourselves over, then. After all £8bn is hardly worth getting out of bed for.

[THECORBYLOON]

Perhaps some members of the Leave Campaign need to learn maths then?