Persecuted Christians

[Khandro]

We hear an awful lot of guff about muslims suffering from hate-speech - now since 1st of Jan.a prisonable offence in Germany and spreading, - but who will speak up for the murder of thousands of Christians? Why are our politicians not saying more, (Nigel Farage excepted) , could it be that there are few votes to be gained from speaking out?

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/where-is-the-persecutedchristians-hashtag/

[Togo]

Perhaps sp is referring to the Countries who have the good sense to nip Muslim invasion in the bud Naomi.

[sp1814]

Amazing...just amazing.

[sp1814]

naomi24

//many of the people in question are living in countries where the majority culture is hostile to them. It’s not that simple.//

Can you think of any example of countries where Christian dogma is enshrined in Law, and where Christians use this to as a tool of persecution?

[douglas9401]

Ooooh, italics, it's escalating.

[naomi24]

sp, is this a guessing game? If so, I think you're in the wrong section.

[sp1814]

naomi24

How about this?

Predominantly Christian countries unite with their respective churches to apply international sanctions against any country guilty of persecution of Christians?

Imagine if Russian, whose regime has strong links to the Orthodox Church were to throw its weight behind such a scheme.

And with Trump in the White House, and his links to the Christian Right, that’s the US on board too!

[naomi24]

sp, oh, right. It's a imagining game. Perhaps someone else will take you up on it. I'm all out of imagination.

[sp1814]

Add to that, the weight the Catholic Church could add.

With Christians around the world banding together against oppression, using both international sanctions, and individual boycotts - wouldn’t that be the best way to effect change?

[douglas9401]

Excellent! We could call it a crusade.

Or at least the already organised mobs and their apologists would.

[naomi24]

sp, you’ve lost me. What do your imaginings have to do with your question at 17:02?

[Khandro]

'The Bible features heavily in the architecture and decoration of the Houses of Parliament, paying silent tribute to its significance in English jurisprudence. Many old parish churches still have copies of the Ten Commandments on the walls, underlining the importance of the Bible for providing the moral cohesion of society. Most British law is ultimately derived from the codes of law within the Bible, of which the Ten Commandments is pre-eminent. The equality of all people before the law is another of its legacies.'

To this must be added the heritage of the arts, in literature, poetry painting, sculpture and music. Whether you have decided to be an atheist, agnostic or muslim, if you live in Britain, you live within a Christian ethos.

[naomi24]

I feel like I've entered some sort of parallel universe here. I've no idea what either you or SP are talking about, Khandro. What does your lesson at 17:35 have to do with your OP?

[sp1814]

naomi24

Sorry - to clarify...what I'm doing is proposing suggestions for the way that persecuted Christians can be assisted, as per Khandro's question but who will speak up for the murder of thousands of Christians?

[naomi24]

sp, So your question to me wasn't actually a bona fide question and you weren't actually amazed by my response. Okay. Carry on.

[sp1814]

naomi24

I...err...I thought I had already.

[sp1814]

Second clarification.

Yes it was a bona fide question and yes I was amazed at your not getting what I was talking about.

That's why I didn't bother down that route, because I realised that it would mean diverting the thread.

[naomi24]

Oh right, sp. You're done then. Sorry, I hadn't realised that.

[naomi24]

sp, Cross-posted. You're not done then.

This is all becoming too confusing for me. I'm off to make dinner.

[vetuste_ennemi]

SP states (stress added by me): "Other ... groups organise themselves into lobby groups and effect change. Other groups stand up for what is right in the face of discrimination...
If religious groups face discrimination, then they should do what other groups do. Stand their ground and demand equality.".

There are some specialised micro-environments where this is exactly the right course of action to follow, SP. These niche environments are, of course, the Western democracies where the rule of law still pertains largely. But let's imagine the application of the SP strategy in different cultural contexts. How would the strategy have worked for German Jews in the 1930s? Or black slaves in the antebellum Southern states?

And here's a modern example - a village in Sisi's Egypt where the police (as police sometimes do) choose to look the other way:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/elderly-christian-woman-stripped-naked-and-paraded-through-streets-by-mob-a7049926.html

Your accusation of moral weakness implied in the comment "unless of course, they’re waiting for others to do it on their behalf" wouldn't be fair in this case, or the two previous examples, would it?

I prefer your later post where you acknowledge that some victims need champions:

"With Christians around the world banding together against oppression, using both international sanctions, and individual boycotts - wouldn’t that be the best way to effect change?"

The complaint in the OP that this isn't happening.

[ichkeria]

Much sympathy for a good cause inevitably lost, dressed up as it is in bitterness and hatred towards just about anything and anyone that gets caught in the crossfire.