Yet Another So Called Rapist Cleared, Isn't It Time That These Female Accusers Are Named And Shamed?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5262181/Ex-Manchester-City-youth-footballer-cleared-rape.html

[Mamyalynne]

^ for fear of

[murraymints]

and..to add..we all have a responsibility of duty of care..to ourselves !

[andy-hughes]

emmie - // AH
that may be easier said than done, rape can occur at any place, you may be innocently walking down the street or through the park and be grabbed by some assailant,
you don't just have to be in a situation which is dangerous for the woman. //

No argument there - but that is not the situation we are discussing is it?

Your scenario is completely different, and had the footballer attacked a stranger in the street, the outcome would hopefully have been different - but he didn't, so that's not the discussion we are having.

[andy-hughes]

kvaldir - // Seriously Pixie that comment was absolutely Dickensian in it's pompous self righteousness and victim shaming. Disgraceful. //

You are entirely welcome to call my view Dickensian, etc., but there is no aspect of 'victim shaming' at all in what I have said.

[andy-hughes]

To return to the OP - I don't believe that 'naming and shaming' is appropriate for anyone in a case like this.

If the man is found not guilty, he remains tainted by the fact that he as accused in the first place, and the notion that false accusers should be exposed to ridicule will simply encourage more victims not to report their assault for fear of being ridiculed.

Any woman who brings a charge like this is entitled to be believed, and for due process to investigate thoroughly.

I entirely agree that anonymity should be given to both parties until a verdict is reached.

[emmie]

whilst he has walked free so to speak others rapists are left to walk the streets, two of them are about to be released from prison John Worboys is one and the other I can't remember his name, but like Worboys he had multiple rapes and yet they will be out soon, no justice there at all.

[Islay]

I'm waiting for the 'things like this didn't happen in my day - women know how to behave'!!
But the thing is they did happen, it was just kept as a dirty secret with the women made to feel they were to blame.
The lady in question believed she had been raped - there is no evidence to say she had or had not - the prosecution has been slammed for not providing enough evidence.
No one should be named until someone is found guilty be it the accused or the accuser!

[albaqwerty]

I suspect that the accused rapist's name is published in case they have acted in a similar fashion before and the victim(s) haven't reported the attack for whatever reason, but in seeing the name may make them come forward?

Being cleared of rape doesn't make him innocent.

[beso]

She had no memory of what happened and hence her assumption that she was raped is a false allegation.

[Islay]

It could be argued Beso that if she was so drunk that she can't remember what happened she may have been to drunk to give consent therefore it is rape and not a false allegation.
It could be looked at from both sides!

[Sqad]

"'I get up the stairs and she is in the room where I was meant to be staying. She was in the bed. She was under the covers.

'I seen her dress on the floor. She had already taken it off before I got in. I didn't help.'

'She was encouraging it. She took the first move by kissing me and I was kissing her back. Her body was moving.

'She seemed like she was enjoying it. She tries to get on top of me while I carry on kissing. She pulled my jeans down so they are off.'

He claimed they had sex at her instigation. 'I was enjoying it,' he said. 'I was aroused.'"

C'mon...IF, IF the above was true...then she was inviting him for sex, penetrative sex.
Yes, yes, she was drunk, she couldn't remember what had happened, but not too drunk to take her dress off and hop into bed.
Yes, these women should be named, as they do not fall into the category of TRUE rape.( by my definition)

[zebo]

Sounds like my late mother is posting here, the element of a 'not guilty' verdict meaning 'got off with it' has reared it's head. In the English courts there are Guilty and Not Guilty verdicts when a case comes to trial, the accused has the right to consider themselves innocent after a NG verdict, there will be enough people who still consider them guilty when it suits their agenda. Next morning regret is not rape.

[zebo]

Should be its head, not it's head, sorry.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// but with choices come responsibilities, and that is where the education of children comes in to my point. ///

Do you seriously think that one can educate children in matters that they are too young to have ever experienced, ie the effects of alcohol, plus adult sexual urges etc etc?

[ummmm]

Andy...you're wrong. We do educate our kids.

[beso]

albaqwerty // I suspect that the accused rapist's name is published in case they have acted in a similar fashion before and the victim(s) haven't reported the attack for whatever reason, but in seeing the name may make them come forward? //

What similar fashion? Consenting to sex when a woman goes naked into his bed and then passionately kisses him pulls off his clothes when he arrives?

She may also have done the same thing before. While she may not have gone to the police on those occasions, she may well have already destroyed the reputation of several other lower profile men. Maybe she was too drunk the other times to remember anything. Other men may have come forward to confirm they were also subjected to similar scenarios had her name been published.

There are women who prey on men like that. I know of a case where a woman crawled into a guy's bed while he was intoxicated and had sex. He barely remembers anything but was lumbered with child support for the next eighteen years.

How far do you think he would get having her charged with engaging in sexual intercourse without consent? He was certainly too intoxicated to give any consent. Men who have been raped suffer alone because nobody believes them, least of all the law.

You think I sound a bit extreme? Well having been sexually assaulted by two women it does bring up some issues for me. If you haven't been there then you have no idea what it is like.

//Being cleared of rape doesn't make him innocent.//

He remains innocent until proven guilty. That is the law.

Double standards based on gender biases are not fair.

[ummmm]

AOG - bless your naivety...

[kvalidir]

Of course children are educated. Everyone I know has plenty of self respect thanks Andy and your comments most certainly are victim blaming and your further explanation really just underlines that.

[ummmm]

Kval...do you wonder what world some people are living in?

[kvalidir]

I know it's remarkable. Here Andy is a little viral anti rape video which explains to you how we educate our children about consent and respect without the pseudo Catholic guilt and moralising,