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Votes For 16: Wales Voting Reforms See Voting Age Lowered
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Good ! If people are being taxed, then they deserve the right to vote...why not ?
Good ! If people are being taxed, then they deserve the right to vote...why not ?
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If it increases turnout by preventing apathy then it’s a good thing. We need to engage young people with politics.
08:44 Sun 28th Jan 2018
In principle, it would be best to confer all the benefits of adulthood (voting, marriage, driving, etc) to anyone who passes an exam testing things like ability to identify self-interest, ability to reason and think critically, understanding of cause and effect.
This will never happen, though, because a) examiners are corruptible and the passage of time is not. b) millions of people who are currently legal adults - in fact even plenty of people who have gotten to retirement age - would never pass it, and therefore never support it.
As we can't have a good system, then, we're stuck with a standard age for certain rights. All of these will always look completely arbitrary if you look at them in enough detail (because they are), so quibbling about the precise age is somewhat meaningless.
This will never happen, though, because a) examiners are corruptible and the passage of time is not. b) millions of people who are currently legal adults - in fact even plenty of people who have gotten to retirement age - would never pass it, and therefore never support it.
As we can't have a good system, then, we're stuck with a standard age for certain rights. All of these will always look completely arbitrary if you look at them in enough detail (because they are), so quibbling about the precise age is somewhat meaningless.
Zacs...using your logic, then presumably, when we have a Labour government, the younger voters will be more likely to vote Tory ?
Another aspect of this is that while Labour has been more successful in increasing its Membership, and its support across the board, the Tories appear to be hemorrhaging Membership.
Another aspect of this is that while Labour has been more successful in increasing its Membership, and its support across the board, the Tories appear to be hemorrhaging Membership.
Full time education now goes to 18. With the exception of those going into apprenticeships or employment.
So no I don't think 16 yr olds should get the vote.
As has been said earlier idealism isn't reality.
I remember when I was first able to vote. I was on a low wage doing a menial job. I couldn't see why people should earn more than me just because they're sat in an office or owned the business. I thought wages should be capped. I thought no one should be so Rich they could afford a Lear jet when I couldn't always afford the bus fare to work.
But then I grew up and realised that without them I wouldn't have a job. Without them as an example of what can be achieved you stagnate. When (in some cases IF they ever do) you stop thinking everyone else owes you a living then you realise that actually the world isn't always absolutely fare. The world is full of people of differing abilities and differing wants and desires.
The young and idealistic shouldn't be allowed to *** it all up for future generations.
So no I don't think 16 yr olds should get the vote.
As has been said earlier idealism isn't reality.
I remember when I was first able to vote. I was on a low wage doing a menial job. I couldn't see why people should earn more than me just because they're sat in an office or owned the business. I thought wages should be capped. I thought no one should be so Rich they could afford a Lear jet when I couldn't always afford the bus fare to work.
But then I grew up and realised that without them I wouldn't have a job. Without them as an example of what can be achieved you stagnate. When (in some cases IF they ever do) you stop thinking everyone else owes you a living then you realise that actually the world isn't always absolutely fare. The world is full of people of differing abilities and differing wants and desires.
The young and idealistic shouldn't be allowed to *** it all up for future generations.
Zacs....this is from the HOC Library. As you can see membership of the Labour Party has increased.
The Tory Party refuse to provide any figures.
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The Tory Party refuse to provide any figures.
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