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Should ‘Britain First’ Now Be Banned ?
With the conviction of Darren Osbourne, evidence in court shows he was radicalised by visiting the Britain First website over several weeks.
He then went on to kill someone in a terrorist attack, and injury scores of others.
// But the trigger for the attack was far-right internet propaganda he had become obsessed with over just a few weeks. //
// Police said the 48-year-old became radicalised in just three to four weeks, as evidence from devices he used show him reading posts by the former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson, far-right group Britain First and other extremists. //
Surely this shows that Britain First crosses the line from being a genuine protest group, and firmly places them in the position that they encourage terrorism, and indoctrinate gullible fools to commit murder.
Many muslim groups have been proscribed for less. They are on par with Scottish Dawn and should be treated similarly.
He then went on to kill someone in a terrorist attack, and injury scores of others.
// But the trigger for the attack was far-right internet propaganda he had become obsessed with over just a few weeks. //
// Police said the 48-year-old became radicalised in just three to four weeks, as evidence from devices he used show him reading posts by the former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson, far-right group Britain First and other extremists. //
Surely this shows that Britain First crosses the line from being a genuine protest group, and firmly places them in the position that they encourage terrorism, and indoctrinate gullible fools to commit murder.
Many muslim groups have been proscribed for less. They are on par with Scottish Dawn and should be treated similarly.
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Talbot - // If you avoid violent confrontation, which you can by not going looking for it, then you can live your life free or violence.
I said 'if you are lucky'
You think luck has nothing to do with it ... therefore.... //
It depends on what you think 'luck' is - and now much of a part it plays in your life.
I believe I have not been involved in a fight as an adult because I take simple precautions on the seriously rare occasions where there is even a hint of trouble. It involves absenting myself from the area as quickly as is practical, and it takes no rational though whatsoever.
I don't believe the concept of 'luck' is involved anywhere in that at all.
I said 'if you are lucky'
You think luck has nothing to do with it ... therefore.... //
It depends on what you think 'luck' is - and now much of a part it plays in your life.
I believe I have not been involved in a fight as an adult because I take simple precautions on the seriously rare occasions where there is even a hint of trouble. It involves absenting myself from the area as quickly as is practical, and it takes no rational though whatsoever.
I don't believe the concept of 'luck' is involved anywhere in that at all.
You're not giving full credit to the argument you're opposing, Talbot. Thirty odd years ago I saw a young man holding a baseball bat or similar and kicking **** out of a woman lying on the pavement. I approached him and started to talk. His reply was to strike me unconscious; I ended up in in hospital with a broken upper jaw.
Was this bad luck on my part? No, not in the least. There were a dozen or so other people who were watching all this and none of them ended up in hospital.
Was this bad luck on my part? No, not in the least. There were a dozen or so other people who were watching all this and none of them ended up in hospital.
Facing a hostile enemy in a military combat situation, I think most of us would prefer to stand shoulder to shoulder with a Tommy Robinson than an andy-hughes. Just sayin'
Returning to the OP, paragraph 4. There isn't a scrap of evidence that T.R. had anything at all to do with the actions of this nut-case.
Returning to the OP, paragraph 4. There isn't a scrap of evidence that T.R. had anything at all to do with the actions of this nut-case.
/// I've got someone thanks - he is my MP, he sits in Parliament and speaks for me there. ///
/// That's the way a civilised country makes its views known ///
As I pointed out to you in another thread appertaining to the late MP Enoch Powell.
He spoke for his constituents and look what happened to him?
/// That's the way a civilised country makes its views known ///
As I pointed out to you in another thread appertaining to the late MP Enoch Powell.
He spoke for his constituents and look what happened to him?
vetuste_ennemi
/// Thirty odd years ago I saw a young man holding a baseball bat or similar and kicking **** out of a woman lying on the pavement. I approached him and started to talk. His reply was to strike me unconscious; I ended up in in hospital with a broken upper
jaw. ///
Well we all know where andy hughes would have been in such a situation?
/// It involves absenting myself from the area as quickly as is practical, /// A.Hughes
/// Thirty odd years ago I saw a young man holding a baseball bat or similar and kicking **** out of a woman lying on the pavement. I approached him and started to talk. His reply was to strike me unconscious; I ended up in in hospital with a broken upper
jaw. ///
Well we all know where andy hughes would have been in such a situation?
/// It involves absenting myself from the area as quickly as is practical, /// A.Hughes
AOG - // andy-hughes
/// I don't want an 'English Defence League' of self-aggrandising racist boneheads to save me thank you very much.
If I ever do, I'll ask, ///
And would you then expect them to turn into the Hughes Defence League and save you, why should they? //
No, I wouldn't.
Would you expect me to say anything else?
/// I don't want an 'English Defence League' of self-aggrandising racist boneheads to save me thank you very much.
If I ever do, I'll ask, ///
And would you then expect them to turn into the Hughes Defence League and save you, why should they? //
No, I wouldn't.
Would you expect me to say anything else?
AOG - // vetuste_ennemi
/// Thirty odd years ago I saw a young man holding a baseball bat or similar and kicking **** out of a woman lying on the pavement. I approached him and started to talk. His reply was to strike me unconscious; I ended up in in hospital with a broken upper
jaw. ///
Well we all know where andy hughes would have been in such a situation?
/// It involves absenting myself from the area as quickly as is practical, /// A.Hughes //
You are fond of taking two and two and making it twenty-two, and here you go again.
You have deliberately taken one situation, applied it to another without foundation, and then concluded that it results in me being a physical and moral coward.
When I commented about avoiding violence, that referred to violence against me as a person, and that was perfectly clear.
In the situation the vetusti mentioned, where a helpless woman (or man, it makes no difference to me) is under attack, I would intervene to stop it.
It's interesting AOG - after all the years and arguments we have had, that you feel it necessary to cut a paste a scenario of your own invention in order to infer that I am a moral and physical coward.
I think that says more about your morality, than mine.
/// Thirty odd years ago I saw a young man holding a baseball bat or similar and kicking **** out of a woman lying on the pavement. I approached him and started to talk. His reply was to strike me unconscious; I ended up in in hospital with a broken upper
jaw. ///
Well we all know where andy hughes would have been in such a situation?
/// It involves absenting myself from the area as quickly as is practical, /// A.Hughes //
You are fond of taking two and two and making it twenty-two, and here you go again.
You have deliberately taken one situation, applied it to another without foundation, and then concluded that it results in me being a physical and moral coward.
When I commented about avoiding violence, that referred to violence against me as a person, and that was perfectly clear.
In the situation the vetusti mentioned, where a helpless woman (or man, it makes no difference to me) is under attack, I would intervene to stop it.
It's interesting AOG - after all the years and arguments we have had, that you feel it necessary to cut a paste a scenario of your own invention in order to infer that I am a moral and physical coward.
I think that says more about your morality, than mine.
Mamya - // He wanted a rise out of you Andy, that's his MO.
I've intervened in scuffles and come off worse but in similar situations may well do so again. //
I think it's a shame that AOG cannot behave with the dignity and morality that he bemoans as lacking in others - when he wastes his time cutting and pasting an off-thread smear against someone, based only on his own personal small-minded animosity.
I've intervened in scuffles and come off worse but in similar situations may well do so again. //
I think it's a shame that AOG cannot behave with the dignity and morality that he bemoans as lacking in others - when he wastes his time cutting and pasting an off-thread smear against someone, based only on his own personal small-minded animosity.
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