What's Donald Trump Said About Guns And Gun Control?

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-41479161/what-s-donald-trump-said-about-guns-and-gun-control

Here's another example of what a wassock Trump is....he used to be against the ownership of assault weapons, but now he advocates the carrying of weapons into night clubs by everybody. Hundreds of people have been injured or killed recently in America, but he still wants to hang on to that lovely dosh that the NRA gives him and other Republicans, rather than actually do something useful.

Let ABs Trumpettes defend him now.

[vetuste_ennemi]

If there are intelligent and fair-minded observers out there, whatever your views of the Trump presidency, please try to explain (if you think the effort worth it) to Mikey that he is not being reasonable.

Under the US system Trump won. And this extraordinary result demands a better explanation than stoopid. (Some of you will know what the Electoral College is and why it is; you may try to explain that to our Mikey).
As an aside, under the UK system a party which gets 20% of the votes may end up with no parliamentary seats. This has been a matter of derision by the finger-wagging democrat: one in five of you have voted for nothing - ha ha ha - up yours. Personally I am not bitter and twisted about this, accepting our system (didn't vote to change it when I had the chance) as it is. But you could consider that a fifth of the electorate having no parliamentary representation if not an injustice, then at least an anomaly, might you not?

[mikey4444]

VE...I think its woeful, but when the British public were offered an, admittedly flawed form of electoral reform, it was roundly defeated.

But in America, whatever you say about the EC, Trump is now President despite the large majority of people not voting for him. So your constant assertion and use of the word "half" today is erroneous !

[vetuste_ennemi]

If there are intelligent and fair-minded observers out there, whatever your views of the Trump presidency, please try to explain (if you think the effort worth it) to Mikey that he is not being reasonable.

As his latest post confirms.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Can I try "Ridi Pagliacco" (yet another time)?

Will he get that, do you think?

[vetuste_ennemi]

spelt that wrong innit.

pagliaccio.

[mikey4444]

VE...I am being entirely reasonable. You asserted that half the American people voted for Trump, and I have proved that they didn't !

But I am as entitled to my view of Trump, as you are.

[Togo]

Can anyone tell me why we are sampling campaign speeches from 2016 and shackling them to the latest nut job shooter in America? Beep Beep See alert.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Mikey, do me a favour mate. It's not the half or whatever. No British governing party gets half. The point is that Trump is Pres under their system. Hillary says that half the people who voted for Trump are losers and the other half bigots. A Swansea based psephologist (check MORI CV) insists that all of his voters are fools.

This is an unconvincing analysis, Mikey.

If there are intelligent and fair-minded observers out there...

[jim360]

I've been making a point in 2018 of staying out of the news section as far as possible, although for what it's worth ve -- yes, I get bored of reading mikey's "analysis" of various topics, this one included .

[Togo]

In effect what Mikey and the Beep Beep See are contending, is that Trump is solely responsible for the 1791 Second Amendment and every President before him is not accountable for it never being repealed or altered. Unless it is just another exercise in gum bumping, and literary gurning.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I'd be pleased to hear your analysis of the Trump phenomenon, Jim.

I think I can anticipate some of the points you will make where we agree, and others where we disagree. But I'd like you to surprise me.

[Prudie]

I haven't read many of the answers and yes any rational person would probably agree gun ownership in US is way out of control however every single one of us if we were in a nightclub when some nutter started shooting would wish we had a gun in our handbag. In those circumstances it's not such an outrageous idea.

[pixie374]

In that situation, I'd rather have a shield than a gun.

[pastafreak]

In that situation, if you have a gun and use it, how do you know you're aiming/shooting at the right person? It's dark with possibly flashing lights, everyone moving,screaming, running. Pure chaos. How many innocent might get hurt by "friendly fire"?

[jim360]

I miss crossing swords with you, ve (in a friendly spirit, you understand!) but perhaps some other time. I just wanted to assure you that your calls for "backup", if you like, weren't going entirely unheeded :)

[DTCwordfan]

tax the bullets through the roof and control through credits back.

Too many guns out there to begin with and there's now way 70% of both Houses would vote to rescind or alter the 2nd. Amendment - well, not in our life-times.

[vetuste_ennemi]

The single time I've disagreed with you in an "unfriendly" way (i.e. I dislike you for your opinion) is on the Tim Hunt issue, Jim.

[jim360]

Yes, well, we all make mistakes from time to time.

(As in, I did on that one. I thought I had said so already, but maybe I didn't actually get around to telling AB this.)

[vetuste_ennemi]

Oh, and thank you for "backup", Jim.

[vetuste_ennemi]

You did say and I did note, Jim.