Police Lost Track

[fender62]

is this all down to cuts and prison overcrowding, if so there is a cure, end foreign aid and deport foreign criminals.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5479583/Police-admit-lost-track-nearly-400-sex-offenders.html

[Old_Geezer]

Must be difficult to keep track without locking folk up.
If you deport foreign criminals won't foreign countries send ours back too ? If so would the savings be great ? I think the world situation isn't that simple.

[Jahulaye]

“if so there is a cure, end foreign aid and deport foreign criminals.”

Mmmkay.... but just how will this help us against our own home grown paedophile murderers of which the cases outnumber foreign paedophiles?

[johnk]

How would ending foreign aid help our police? I agree on returning foreign criminals.

[naomi24]

Jahulaye, we’re stuck with home grown criminals, but we needn’t be stuck with foreign criminals. We can get rid of those.

OG, //If you deport foreign criminals won't foreign countries send ours back too ?//

The percentage of Muslim prisoners in this country is disproportionately high. How many Brits do you think are incarcerated in Pakistan, or Somalia, or Afghanistan?

[youngmafbog]

Possibly also to do with the number of people being put on the sex offenders list for what amount to minor offences. This then clogs up the system and undermines what the list was intended for.

Having said that it is nigh on impossible for Plod to keep track unless you put 3 officers a day on each offender.

[fender62]

all foreign criminals should be deported, with no recourse to the law
ahh but were oh so civilised, meanwhile prisons are full, streets are rampant with foreign lowlifes, but its makes one feel all warm inside.

[Zacs-Master]

'all foreign criminals should be deported, with no recourse to the law '

I'm pretty sure there would need to be a law to facilitate such a system.

[New Judge]

"I'm pretty sure there would need to be a law to facilitate such a system."

There already is. It's called the Immigration Act, 2014. That legislation provides for the removal, after their sentence has been served, of any foreign national sentenced to a term of twelve months or more.

I think the recourse to the law which fender would like to see restricted is that available to the deportee. I'd like to see a similar restriction. The mechanics of such deportations involve the Home Secretary revoking their licence to remain in the UK. There should be no appeal available against that administrative action when a person has been properly convicted and sentenced.

[Zacs-Master]

'There should be no appeal available' Then an amendment to the current law would be required. I can't see that happening.

I thought full appeal rights for applications under the Points Based System were revoked on 2 March 2015, and for all other cases from 6 April 2015?

[New Judge]

They may have been revoked under the Immigration Act but appelants usually make their appeals under the ECHR (usually Article 8 - The Right to a Private and Family Life).

[Zacs-Master]

Will that right of appeal end when we leave the EU, NJ?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Dear, dear, dear.

[Zacs-Master]

What’s that? The price of leaving the EU?

[vetuste_ennemi]

I wonder what makes him so gratuitously unpleasant.

[fiction-factory]

I'm wondering wherther this thread is conflating several issues. First I'm not at all sure why ending foreign aid and deporting foreign criminals would be the cure for the problem of police losing track. The problem may be down to all sorts of factors, such as incompetence, poor liaison between bodies, criminals clever enough to disappear, police being overstretched or prioritising the wrong things- but I can't see what foreign aid for one has any relevance. Okay deporting criminals might free up time but it would bring its own problems. So whilst i wish foreign aid could be cut i don't see the relvance here.
Second, what do we actually mean by foreign crimials. Those here illegally or with foreign passports or within the first few years here- yes, if we can get countries to take them. What about those who have been here 10 years, 20 years. Are we counting those born here? Probably not but one poster has conflated foreign criminals here with Muslim prisoners so maybe that's what some have in mind. If so, how would that work? (Answer- it wouldn't.)

[Zacs-Master]

Yes, another muddled question due to a vast oversimplification by the OP (or a complete lack of understanding.....I’m not sure which).

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, //one poster has conflated foreign criminals here with Muslim prisoners//

That’ll be me. Conflated perhaps, but a fact nevertheless and offered in response to the suggestion that the number of British criminals in foreign prisons somehow equates to the number of foreign criminals in our prisons. Unsavoury to your ears reality may be, but reality it is.

[fiction-factory]

Not unsavoury to me at all. I know it's true. But not relevant to the issue here of deportation of foreign criminals. But maybe the issue isn't clear- 'tis a very muddled thread

[naomi24]

I think it's relevant, not least because it demonstrates the extent of the problem.

[fiction-factory]

Anyway, whilst I am amused by all these non sequiturs, I only really joine dthe thread a sI thought some new material from The Police (Sting and co had been released!