Ok As Requested By Z M, Eu, Can The Remainers Give Us Any Positive Reasons To Stay In The Eu...

[ToraToraTora]

...NOT more, 10 plagues of Egypt type predictions if we don't. I'm talking about things they should have used during the referendum instead of totally negative campaigning. Thanks

[Kathyan]

I've asked on numerous forums but never had an answer!

[Zacs-Master]

1. We were / are one of the most prosperous countries in the world despite EU membership
2. The EU was used as a method to introduce us to other world countries as a way to trade with them
3. I’m not sure giving back our own political system total control over us is such a good idea.
4. Freedom to move, live and work anywhere in the EU (if that’s the sort of thing you like, of course).
5. A report by the Centre for Economics and Business Research, released in October 2015, suggested 3.1 million British jobs were linked to the UK’s exports to the EU.
6. The right to free emergency healthcare when in another EU country.
7 a combined terrorism fighting force. In an age where police resources and the military are being depleted year on year, I believe this is a major loss to us.
8 The majority of CBI member agree that the EU benefited industry
http://www.cbi.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/our-global-future/factsheets/factsheet-2-benefits-of-eu-membership-outweigh-costs/

I can cite some more if you like but you’ll probably just label them ‘project fear’ in one of your usual uncomprehending rants.

[Kathyan]

1. We can be again
2. We didn't need any introduction
3, It worked before the EU
4. You will still be able to (OK maybe with a Visa but..)
5. They may be negotiated
6. We have to have insurance anyway
7. Then we'll to step up!
8. The EU decimated our indutries

[Zacs-Master]

Kathy, your points are mostly fine, but they admit to an awful lot of disruption and admit there will be disadvantages. Some are a little dismissive such as ‘stepping up’ to terrorism which is very easy to say. I have to completely disagree however, with your statement about the EU decimating our industries. Do you have any reasoning behind your claim?

Anyway, we’ll done for being the first person to at least attempt to convince me that leaving the EU is a good thing.

[vulcan42]

ZM, do you seriously believe we didn't trade with the rest of the world before we were part of the EU?

[Zacs-Master]

Where did I say that? Only an eejit would say that. I never said anything remotely along those lines.

[anneasquith]

Why must you feel the need to talk endlessly about the EU. ?Britain are leaving, or are you just terrified brexit won't mean brexit ? :-)

[Zacs-Master]

I think that’s the sub text Anne.

[ToraToraTora]

ZM: the answers of a reluctant Brit....
1) yes, despite
2) We were introduced to all countries long before the EU existed and traded with most of them.
3) It's what we had for most of our history. Parliamentary democracy is the best system ever devised. The EU may have done better if they tried it.
4) We manage that all over the world without having to surrender sovereignty
5) .. and they still can be, again you do not have to surrender sovriegnty to do trade deals.
6) Only in places where they have public health care. Most hospitals are private and have to be paid for, eg Last year I had cause to go to a Luxembourg hospital, I had to get my insurers to pay the bill.
7) Yes, but again we so not have to surrender sovriegnty to have agreements of this nature.
8) ditto 7)

I suppose I should have qualified the question further. you have described nothing that make it necessary to surrender sovereignty.

[vulcan42]

point 2?

[Zacs-Master]

That’s a statement of fact Vulcan. Your reading into it that it meant I thought we didn’t trade with other countries is in your head. I said no such thing.

[ToraToraTora]

Credit where it's due though ZM, you have at least come up with some points intended as reasons to remain. That is more than the entire campaign managed in June 2016.

[Zacs-Master]

Well done Tora. I’ve no idea why you couldn’t be more civil and make those points as reasons to leave on your other threads. I’m afraid non of them equate to a tyrannical system though and it’s a shame you couldn’t come up with a few points of your own, rather than needing me to make a few for you to react to.

[Zacs-Master]

Thanks Tora. That would be a campaign by a majority pro EU government that you’re showing no faith in. A government which you trust to run our affairs more than the EU. Mmm.

[anneasquith]

I think so zac, and it boils down to absolutely no confidence in the government in getting even half a decent deal ,so much easier to blame the " other side " .

[Zacs-Master]

Yes Anne, a government which they are happy to take over all our affairs. ‘Dichotomy’ at its finest.

[ToraToraTora]

as I have said many times, our governments my often be less than I would like but I still prefer our elected government, elected under our system, even if they are the opposition, to the EU. Bottom line I'd rather have agent COB if that's what the people decide than Juncket and co.

[Togo]

Despite the scaremongers and hand wringers we are going to be just fine. Perhaps that is what is upsetting them the most.......They want us to fail. Fifth columnists all.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/the-uk-is-doing-just-fine-thanks/ar-BBKKYrD?li=AA54rU

[ladybirder]

8. The CBI has been reliably wrong on just about every major issue for years.

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/the-cbi-has-been-reliably-wrong-on-just-about-every-major-issue-for-many-years.html

https://capx.co/find-out-what-the-cbi-thinks-and-do-the-opposite/

[KARL]

Kathyan, when the UK was pleading to get into the ECM it was on the verge of bankruptcy - UK industry was on its knees purely through domestic efforts. There are those closest to core analysis on the years immediately before and immediately after entry into the ECM who are adamant that membership saved the UK from catastrophe. But these are not acceptable facts so let's abandon the discussion and try the argument that competitive industry will always be successful - so why wasn't it ? Could it be that it wasn't competitive ? That would then surely be the EU's fault and once the UK is out of it the UK its industries will by definition be successful. Rosy future of course and the renowned negotiation skills (as successfully used within the EU to date) will ensure prosperity in days......no, let's be realistic, weeks........oh, all right then within months.......you anti-British lump, of course it won't take years..........are you mad, decades without the return of imperial splendour ???