'gay Cake' Back In Court

[naomi24]

//A Northern Ireland bakery found to have discriminated for refusing to make a "gay cake" will have its appeal heard by the Supreme Court later on Tuesday.
Ashers Bakery are challenging the ruling over their decision - in 2014 - not to make a cake iced with the slogan "Support Gay Marriage".
Appeal court judges upheld the original decision in 2016.
The Supreme Court will hear the case on Tuesday and Wednesday during its first-ever hearings in Northern Ireland.//

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43955734

I didn’t realise this argument was still going on. Will an appeal to the Supreme Court succeed? I have my doubts.

[andres]

Hang on !I'm not the one on trial ! Just typing a few lines on AB can get a person hung.

[New Judge]

"It means anyone can go into a muslim baker and ask them to bake a cake with some offensive slogan about mohammed on it, and they have to bake it..."

Good luck with that one.

[THECORBYLOON]

LUDWIG, I would think that any baker would refuse to do a cake with an offensive message on it.

If it said "[insert name] is a *_%#$@!× and a :!!$=%_*£€÷ too!" I doubt they'd do it.

[andy-hughes]

andres - // Hang on !I'm not the one on trial ! Just typing a few lines on AB can get a person hung. //

Not 'hung' exactly - but you can expect your views to be robustly challenged, and you are welcome to defend them equally robustly if you choose.

That's how the News section operates.

[murraymints]

when they agreed to bake the cake and accepted payment they had entered into a contract..do the bleepin' cake..it's only cake and words... if they refused their custom from the start then that would have been different...

[andy-hughes]

Ludwig - // It means anyone can go into a muslim baker and ask them to bake a cake with some offensive slogan about mohammed on it, and they have to bake it - or make up some other excuse than religion to not do so. Utterly ridiculous and wrong, in my opinion. //

No, they don't have to bake it, they simply have to ensure that the grounds for their refusal are within the law.

And speaking of the law in question here, you can decry it, belittle it, scoff at it, and any similar view, but it remains the law, and if it is broken, there are consequences.

[Bazile]

murraymints

//..if they refused their custom from the start then that would have been different.....//

I somehow doubt that would have been the end of the matter

[Islay]

Bazile - how can you say that?

[murraymints]

doesn't any business reserve the right to provide/serve/deliver ? but they didn't , they accepted the order and money..get on with it !

[andy-hughes]

Bazile - // murraymints

//..if they refused their custom from the start then that would have been different.....//

I somehow doubt that would have been the end of the matter //

Oncce again, it would havve depended on the reason offered for the refusal.

I'm refusing you because I wish to, and offer no reason - fine.

I am refusing you because you are a homosexual and I am a religious bigot and I absolutely have to let you know that I disapprove of you - not fine.

[andy-hughes]

murraymints - // doesn't any business reserve the right to provide/serve/deliver ? but they didn't , they accepted the order and money..get on with it ! //

They do.

Any business can refuse to serve a customer and they are not required to give a reason for that refusal.

Of course, that prevents the joy of telling the world what a self-aggrandising bigoted idiot you are, so it's nothing like as satisfying.

[murraymints]

one does not have to be brain of Britain to know how to turn down business.."no thank you we have too much work on, too many orders to deal with at present.."etc etc. but they chose to accept the order and payment...

[Jackdaw33]

Your constant use of the word 'bigot' is both overstated and tiresome.

[murraymints]

but that is how they are behaving Jack... Bigot... over opinionated... self righteous..judgmental etc etc etc. they took the money ..deliver the goods !

[ummmm]

If you open your business to the public then serve the public. Everyones money is worth the same. Learn to bite your tongue...

[Jackdaw33]

Therefore (I nearly said 'so') if a Muslim girl at the checkout refuses to scan my packet of bacon and my bottle of gin because of her beliefs, is that not religious discrimination? I see no difference between that scenario and the one under discussion here, except that the former would not come to court. 'Discrimination' laws, from where I'm sitting, seem to be a one-way street.

[ummmm]

I agree Jack. If a Muslim person wouldn't serve you pork/alcohol then she/he should not be on the till.

[Mamyalynne]

If she refused to get someone to the till quickly to serve you and you have to leave without the goods you may have redress.

This happens so rarely it always makes the papers.

[ummmm]

It rarely actually happens at all.

[murraymints]

ditto Ummmm