Should The Verses Of The Koran Calling For The 'murder And Punishment Of Jews, Christians And Disbelievers' Be Removed?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5690533/Outrage-Muslims-leaders-French-manifesto-calling-deletion-Koran-verses.html

[Baldric]

///Don't be so rude, it is a news item and I am just asking if ABers agree with the French seeking to remove the verses.///

I think it is you being rude to Maggie, nowhere did she suggest it was your 'stupid question' anyone reading the Link would see where it originated from.

[douglas9401]

I just need to check if that's the same free speech that forbids shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre but allows any number of incitements to murder and maim in the name of an overgrown fairy of whatever flavour.

If it's used in a book, newspaper or comic it's 'hate speech' but dressed up as religious doctrine it's fine.

[andy-hughes]

Douglas - // I just need to check if that's the same free speech that forbids shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre but allows any number of incitements to murder and maim in the name of an overgrown fairy of whatever flavour. //

Free speech does not 'forbid' shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre.

The entire premise of Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.'s ruling in a court case in 1919, is that the phrase is in fact "Falsely shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre.

The word 'falsely' is often missed out, and completely removes the point that Holmes was making - the difference between a genuine warning, and malicious intent.

To shout 'Fire!' when there is a fire, is protected under the laws of free speech because it signifies a clear and present danger.

Falsely shouting 'Fire!' is not protected, because it causes danger of harm without justifiable cause.

// If it's used in a book, newspaper or comic it's 'hate speech' but dressed up as religious doctrine it's fine. //

That in my view is an unsustainably wide sweeping statement - any phrase or message has to be taken under its own merits, including the context, the meaning, and the intent behind it.

[Prudie]

No leave it as it is - unless of course it includes a dog with a dodgy name.

[Peter Pedant]

.Mrs Simpson seems to have acquired an extra husband somewhere along the line.

nope - Win Spencer, Ernest Simpson and Edward
concealed perhaps but still there


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallis_Simpson

Of course she divorced them - well some of them -
I am not suggesting Bigamy or in her case I suppose trigamy

blimey I dont believe it even in AB
some people are taking this question seriously

[naomi24]

Good post by vetuste_ennemi at 18:28. May I suggest that others who think they know what they’re talking about do as advised.

[emmie]

no though i would like to see all religious texts thrown on a bonfire.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// Freedom of speech is a very important concept, and part of the price that we pay for it is the right for various fools to say foolish things. ///

It is not those fools saying such things that we should be fearful of, it is those fools that carry then out.

[douglas9401]

Irony writ large.

[vetuste_ennemi]

More on the "Holy" Koran:

https://www.thoughtco.com/when-handling-the-quran-2004549