So What If We Have A Referendum On The Final Deal, What Will N O Mean?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/12/one-million-students-call-vote-brexit-deal
If it's YES then ok. If it's NO I assume we would leave with no deal so on that basis I'd vote NO and if it turned out to be YES that would still mean we are out. So what are the anti democracy brigade on about surely they would prefer a yes on the deal as they are so desperate to stay attached to the EUSSR some how. I don't get it. Are they saying reject the deal would mean ignoring the 2016 referendum by the back door? Seems a bit underhand.

[Zacs-Master]

They do indeed Tora. To imagine those things would stop would be silly. To imagine the trade might be considerably reduce due to tariffs, might not.

[ichkeria]

It would be farcical OG because that would be a referendum simply for people who supported ‘leave’
Anyway, as it stands at the moment I cannot see there being any sort of referendum

[Kromovaracun]

//No way the government would sanction another farcical, population dividing referendum. //

Political parties have their own logic of survival, quite distinct from the national interest. The first referendum was called entirely for political reasons within the Tory party for short-term gain in the 2015 election. I grant that it's hard to see how the balance of incentives might tip in favour of a second referendum now - but it isn't impossible either.

[Old_Geezer]

0f course it is for leave. That's already decided. Any demanded second referendum has to be for something else, and that's accept or rejects agreed terms.

It's not farcical at all, it's natural. To claim it isn't can only be a remainer ploy to try to deny the democratic decision already made via the first referendum regarding leaving.

[ichkeria]

No you cannot have a ‘play off’ referendum for one side only :-)
Especially on such a divisive topic
Very little if any thought I should say has been given what anu referendum would offer as an alternative. One option would be one like the N Ireland one in 1998, when people were asked to approve the Good Friday agreement.
But ‘Should this deal be accepted or should we just ‘leave’ is not going to be the question on any ballot paper you may be sure. If any deal were rejected it would be as you were. Which is one reason why it is not going to happen

[Old_Geezer]

It's not for one side. The whole of the UK would vote in a 2nd referendum on how we left. Both "sides" have a vote.

If it's not accept or just leave then (as I suspect) a 2nd referendum is pointless. Any attempt to make it otherwise would be divisive and irrelevant.

It sounds more and more like an EU type trick to keep voting until there's an EU acceptable answer; and that's what we want to get away from.

[ichkeria]

If it was the case that a the alternative to a ‘deal’ was simply to pull out of the EU then doubtless many would vote ‘No’ for that reason. Which would make a mockery of the whole thing. That is never going to be the scenario.
Tora’s question is a good one. No one has answered it: no one certainly can answer it. If there was a referendum and the desk was rejected the likely case is no one would know what would happen. There is not going to be a referendum tho as far as I can see for all the reasons stated above

[Zacs-Master]

I think this is a brilliant headline in the Huff:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

No one under 25 will get it.....but still.

[ichkeria]

The Lenin and McCartney version no doubt

[Zacs-Master]

Badooooosh. Nice one Ich.