Is This The Real Reason For The Increasing Demise Of Our Nhs, The One Reason That The Authorities Are Unwilling To Admit?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5766219/Population-parts-London-grow-nearly-FIFTH-decade.html

[bednobs]

Yes more people using it is one of the main reasons nhs services struggle. I can't open your link but presu me it's about population expansion. I don't think the authorities shyou away from saying it at all. The nhs are always having campaigns to steer people away from the most crowded parts such as a and even or to do self care

[bednobs]

for a and even read A and E of course

[gulliver1]

No worries the NHS will be well funded, when Boris unloads those sacks full of money off his BUS, after Brexit.

[Kathyan]

The problem is that the Government think that throwing more money at the NHS will solve all the problems, it won't. There are far too many managers, we treat the whole world and his mother and don't get paid for it and pay way over the top for tenders for replacing lights bulbs and blinds etc. If the funds available to the NHS were spent efficiently there wouldn't be any need to increase them!

[anthro-nerd]

I think this is a huge problem:

https://www.door22.co.uk/work/nhs-accident-and-emergency-campaign/

[gulliver1]

Have to agree with you Kathyan.

[Gromit]

The 2001 UK Census states that 869,093 people born in Ireland are living in Great Britain.

The number of Romanian nationals living in the UK in 2017 was estimated to be 411,000.

Not sure how nearly 900,000 is less than 400,000, but I am sure someone will be along to explain the figures.

[jno]

Romanians weren't on the list in 2011

**The most common non-UK nationality was Polish with 558,000 residents; this was followed by Irish (372,000) and Indian (315,000). These three countries together accounted for 30 per cent (1.2 million) of all foreign nationals and 22 per cent (1.7 million) of the non-UK born**

https://tinyurl.com/yamejjxf

[gulliver1]

Love it, Gromit.

[Gromit]

The UK has one of the lowest number of hospital beds in the EU. While the rest of Europe have 5 beds per 1000 people, the UK has to make do woth half that. The result is hospitals are full and operations have to be cancelled.

[jno]

anyway, the real reason for the NHS's problems is that people are living longer and so acquiring more illnesses and taking longer to get over them. Targeted euthanasia of the elderly would be the best solution.

[gulliver1]

JNO, Hope you are the first to try it out

[jno]

pleasure, gulliver, just hand me a list of the AB elderly and I'll get to work... actually, don't bother, I think I know who they are.

[Jackdaw33]

Charming! But that's jno for you.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit
You are comparing two figures 16 years apart.

Here are the 2017 figures:
The number of Romanian nationals living in the UK in 2017 was estimated to be 411,000 - a jump of 25 per cent on the previous year, and the largest increase for any country.

Polish remains the most common non-British nationality, with an estimated one million in the UK.

Romania has overtaken the Republic of Ireland and India to move from fourth to second place in the list.

Some 350,000 Irish nationals lived in the UK in 2017, while there were 346,000 Indians.

[cassa333]

Funding of the NHS comes up with monotonous regularity and the answer is always the same depending on how you view the NHS.

It is adequately funded if you take away the waste and inefficiency of copious layers of management and burp racy. Shore up the ways in which those not entitled to care get it and make people realise the NHS IS NOT FREE to those entitled to care. We pay for it through taxation. The only people it is free to are those not entitled to care.

But you will never convine those that think everything would be fine if only the nasty government would throw more and more money at it.

[Garaman]

It is a factor for sure, but it is a small factor in comparison to; people living longer, new technologies and treatments, rising costs and wages.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// Targeted euthanasia of the elderly would be the best
solution. ///

Yes that's the idea, get rid of those who have fought for our country, worked all their lives for our country, paid their taxes all their long lives, to make this country into what has now become so attractive and tolerant, so as to attract all and sundry from all corners of the globe, for them to reap the benefits of our lovely country that we now enjoy free of charge.

[Togo]

Not all the hospital beds in the EU, unlike the UK, are publicly "funded" . For instance just over 60% of hospital beds in France are publicly funded. Are any "privately" financed beds included in the "figures" given for the UK? Or is that only the NHS bed numbers being compared with both private and public in France?

[gulliver1]

JNO , What goes around comes around , Hopefully for you.