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Skripal Assailants Identified
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Earlier on in the day, but now quiet.....
the media reported that the good people of Salisbury had on request deluged the police with their home CCTV files
and using face recognition they had matched this against arrivals from flights from Moscow at That Time in July.
and got a few hits .....
The Russians goolies must have dropped off when they heard what GCHQ had been doing. or perhaps it is all fantasy ....
much played down later in the day .... er oh you want a question - er do you think this is credible - or typical false planted news ?
the media reported that the good people of Salisbury had on request deluged the police with their home CCTV files
and using face recognition they had matched this against arrivals from flights from Moscow at That Time in July.
and got a few hits .....
The Russians goolies must have dropped off when they heard what GCHQ had been doing. or perhaps it is all fantasy ....
much played down later in the day .... er oh you want a question - er do you think this is credible - or typical false planted news ?
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What will stop the alleged people bring brought to justice will be the fact that the Russians will never extradite them. In fact they’ll probably end up in the state Duma like Andrei Lugovoy. Bewilderingl
18:29 Thu 19th Jul 2018
I'd still like to see some concrete proof of who did it. If theat means a trial in their absence than so be it.
At present I dont see anything apart from a real amateur job (it makes Lugovoy look like a real pro) and that is what I find odd. Security services remove people all the time (and lets not pretend no Western ones dont do it) and they are very good at it. This however really doesnt look like a pro job so I would be very surprised to find Russian secret service involved.
Could however buy some Russians peed off with this guy for grassing them up doing a revenge attack so that is why we must press ahead if they have suspects.
At present I dont see anything apart from a real amateur job (it makes Lugovoy look like a real pro) and that is what I find odd. Security services remove people all the time (and lets not pretend no Western ones dont do it) and they are very good at it. This however really doesnt look like a pro job so I would be very surprised to find Russian secret service involved.
Could however buy some Russians peed off with this guy for grassing them up doing a revenge attack so that is why we must press ahead if they have suspects.
sevenOP.
I'd have to disagree re Ichkeria/ tough soldiers.
Sure, they were good at murdering women and homosexuals with their hands tied behind their backs, slaughtering children (see the Beslan School Massacre)
But when men with the wherewithal to hit back (Russian Army) came to the party, they ran away as quick as their cowardly islamist legs would carry them. (a lot of them washed up here. The UK has become the receptacle for the scum of the earth, I know not why)
Hence Ichkeria's pathological hatred of Russians.
I'd have to disagree re Ichkeria/ tough soldiers.
Sure, they were good at murdering women and homosexuals with their hands tied behind their backs, slaughtering children (see the Beslan School Massacre)
But when men with the wherewithal to hit back (Russian Army) came to the party, they ran away as quick as their cowardly islamist legs would carry them. (a lot of them washed up here. The UK has become the receptacle for the scum of the earth, I know not why)
Hence Ichkeria's pathological hatred of Russians.
I agree with you ymb that concrete proof would be nice and I don’t blame you for asking.
The fact that it was a cock-up tho doesn’t make it any less likely to be the work of the Kremlin. As I’ve said before we shouldn’t assume that amorality always goes hand in hand with efficiency. Lugovoy was spectacularly incompetent for example: I mean how difficult can it be to drop a small amount if a deadly substance into a teacup without losing half of it first? Also, his controllers evidently never told him how deadly was the substance he was carrying and I wouldn’t mind betting it was the same for the Salisbury team
The fact that it was a cock-up tho doesn’t make it any less likely to be the work of the Kremlin. As I’ve said before we shouldn’t assume that amorality always goes hand in hand with efficiency. Lugovoy was spectacularly incompetent for example: I mean how difficult can it be to drop a small amount if a deadly substance into a teacup without losing half of it first? Also, his controllers evidently never told him how deadly was the substance he was carrying and I wouldn’t mind betting it was the same for the Salisbury team
Confirmation bias tops proof for many here and they can be 'identified', unlike the alleged "Skripal Assailants".
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// If that means a trial in their absence than so be it. //
o god I wish people wouldnt do this - we dont have trials in absentia. They dont work very well, as contentious evidence is never challenged. Absconding half way froo a trial is different - it cranks on.
as for those awful Russians marketing Vodka Novichoka
um, you can get it in Bristol .... is that part of Russia ?
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o god I wish people wouldnt do this - we dont have trials in absentia. They dont work very well, as contentious evidence is never challenged. Absconding half way froo a trial is different - it cranks on.
as for those awful Russians marketing Vodka Novichoka
um, you can get it in Bristol .... is that part of Russia ?
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confirmation bias is here
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tending to favour evidence that supports your initial hypothesis ( v bad for scientific induction )
but is the basis for the French C18 scientific method called speculation ( Diderot, Gay-Lussac, Lavoisier )
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tending to favour evidence that supports your initial hypothesis ( v bad for scientific induction )
but is the basis for the French C18 scientific method called speculation ( Diderot, Gay-Lussac, Lavoisier )
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"3. Trial in Absentia
Prior to 2001, trial by jury in absentia did not exist, save where a defendant absconded during the trial process. Even then, it was rare that the trial would continue.
In 2001, the House of Lords decided that such trials were both part of the common law and compatible with a defendant’s Convention rights: Jones (Anthony) [2003] 1 AC
However, ‘the discretion to commence a trial in the absence of a defendant should be exercised with the utmost care and caution ’ per Lord Bingham, para 13, ibid.
This caveat has been (mis)interpreted so as to permit the trial of a defendant whose absence from a Magistrates Court was occasioned by the prison service failing to produce him (resulting conviction quashed on appeal).
There are no published statistics for the number of such trials in the Crown Court. However, in 2004/5, 170,000 (one hundred and seventy thousand) defendants (15% of all those charged) failed to attend their trial in the Magistrates Court and the charge was proved in their absence. The overwhelming majority of these were motoring offences (National Audit Office 10/02/2006 ‘CPS: Effective Use of Magistrates Courts Hearings’ )."
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"3. Trial in Absentia
Prior to 2001, trial by jury in absentia did not exist, save where a defendant absconded during the trial process. Even then, it was rare that the trial would continue.
In 2001, the House of Lords decided that such trials were both part of the common law and compatible with a defendant’s Convention rights: Jones (Anthony) [2003] 1 AC
However, ‘the discretion to commence a trial in the absence of a defendant should be exercised with the utmost care and caution ’ per Lord Bingham, para 13, ibid.
This caveat has been (mis)interpreted so as to permit the trial of a defendant whose absence from a Magistrates Court was occasioned by the prison service failing to produce him (resulting conviction quashed on appeal).
There are no published statistics for the number of such trials in the Crown Court. However, in 2004/5, 170,000 (one hundred and seventy thousand) defendants (15% of all those charged) failed to attend their trial in the Magistrates Court and the charge was proved in their absence. The overwhelming majority of these were motoring offences (National Audit Office 10/02/2006 ‘CPS: Effective Use of Magistrates Courts Hearings’ )."
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oops - thank you- I am not sure if their lordships would agree that a state trial should be conducted in absentia
"To that question the Court of Appeal gave an affirmative answer, while emphasising that the discretion to proceed with a trial in the absence, from the beginning, of the defendant is one to be exercised with extreme care and only in the rare case where, after full consideration of all relevant matters, including in particular the fairness of a trial, the judge concludes that the trial should proceed: [2001] 3 WLR 125, at pp 135-136, para 22."
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many thanks
"To that question the Court of Appeal gave an affirmative answer, while emphasising that the discretion to proceed with a trial in the absence, from the beginning, of the defendant is one to be exercised with extreme care and only in the rare case where, after full consideration of all relevant matters, including in particular the fairness of a trial, the judge concludes that the trial should proceed: [2001] 3 WLR 125, at pp 135-136, para 22."
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many thanks
// "we dont have trials in absentia."
Martin Bormann was tried and sentenced to death by hanging in ..... Nuremberg .... //
not conducted in English Law - the guilt finding body was a tribunal and not a jury wasnt it?
also they were keen not to indict for war crimes that the Allies were doing as well (unrestricted civilian bombing)
Martin Bormann was tried and sentenced to death by hanging in ..... Nuremberg .... //
not conducted in English Law - the guilt finding body was a tribunal and not a jury wasnt it?
also they were keen not to indict for war crimes that the Allies were doing as well (unrestricted civilian bombing)
"the guilt finding body was a tribunal and not a jury wasnt it? "
the guilt finding body was 4 judges in the Holy, predetermined facade... possibly the 4 alternative judges participated in the charade, hard to find out answers in that judicial farce... far too important to the victors to preclude the uncertainties of a genuine jury.
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the guilt finding body was 4 judges in the Holy, predetermined facade... possibly the 4 alternative judges participated in the charade, hard to find out answers in that judicial farce... far too important to the victors to preclude the uncertainties of a genuine jury.
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