The Legacy Of The Eu's Open Borders.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5998485/Four-Polish-men-jailed-racist-attack-teenage-girl-English-boyfriend.html

The sentences given out are a joke.

[ummmm]

Polish people have been coming here for generations with no bother.

[Mamyalynne]

Particularly nasty men, sentences should have been sterner I agree.

[sandyRoe]

10 years in prison, a joke?

[Mamyalynne]

That's true Ummmm, I attended school with and had many Polish friends - most of whom went on to lead very good lives.

These are nasty individuals.

[ummmm]

There's nasty people in all nationalities. It has nothing to do with open borders.

[naomi24]

I don't think it's a legacy of open borders. I couldn't find any reference to previous offences committed in Poland which might have prevented their admittance to the UK, so I guess they could have come here anyway. Everyone else seems to.

[Togo]

It was 10 years between them. Imagine the length of the sentences if they had been called "right" wing racists and English to boot. The combined length of the sentence would have been more like 40 years.

[Gromit]

Luckily, 8 years ago Theresa May pledged to reduce European immigration from the hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands.
I wonder how that is going.

These men are thugs and the sentence is appropriate. There are (supposed to be) checks on the criminal past of EU migrants. Poles coming working (cheaply) in the UK has been beneficial to the country. There is a skill shortage, and they plug it. A total ban on all Polish workers would hit the UK economy greatly.

[Old_Geezer]

Couldn't believe Togo's post so checked. I'd obviously skimmed as I'd believed 10 years each, but it really is between them ! And out after half no doubt. That's pathetic.

[Old_Geezer]

As an aside to the incident, which probably isn't related to nationality; instead of plugging shortages with other county's skilled workforce and leaving natives on welfare, we should be training those already here. It's working around symptoms rather than effecting a cure which causes more issues.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// Polish people have been coming here for generations with no bother. ///

Mmmmm!! Wasn't a Polish immigrant accused of being Jack the Ripper?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/08/jack-the-ripper-polish-aaron-kosminski-dna

[ummmm]

Was he...never heard that.

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm
/// There's nasty people in all nationalities. ///

Of course there are only a fool would deny it.

/// It has nothing to do with open borders. ///

But in this case it has got everything to do with open borders, which could have let these low life in, so as to carry out this savage attack.

[sandyRoe]

Duke of Clarence, surely?

[anotheoldgit]

Old_Geezer

/// As an aside to the incident, which probably isn't related to ; ///

Since this vicious attack took place because this Polish girl dared to date an Englishman, it has got everything to do with nationality.

[EDDIE51]

Your beloved Daily Wail carefully neglects to mention what the actual charges were. If it was ABH then a prison term was unlikely. Probably it is only the 'Hate Crime' element that has resulted in jail terms.

[EDDIE51]

^ The charge was not even ABH,only 'racially aggravated assault' .
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/live-trial-starts-racially-aggravated-1747669
Plus they all pleaded Guilty, so that is an automatic 33% reduction in the sentence. In the circumstances the sentence is the maximum possible, and far from a joke. If it were not for the 'Hate Crime' element, a prison sentence would not have been even possible.

[anotheoldgit]

EDDIE51

If you must counter attack my Daily Mail link, please could you oppose it with a link that is up to date, yours is dated 4th July, the trial had just begun.

[youngmafbog]

// If it were not for the 'Hate Crime' element, a prison sentence would not have been even possible.//

Except maybe if it wasnt' there plod and the CPS might have gone for the correct charge of ABH.

How can stabbing someone be just a hate crime?

[jourdain2]

My best friend at Grammar School was half-Polish (still keep in touch), other friends have been either half or fully Polish - never any problems in the past. Polish clubs used to put on events for everyone.

Very sad case; they'll be out of jail fairly soon because no-one serves the full term these days unless the judge says something.