Questions For The British Home Secretary

[Khandro]

Lots of 'first times' on here, including the first in this post to sign in on the Koran. Where is Britain heading?

[Khandro]

I repeat; Would you care to explain what you think is factually wrong with anything stated by Paul Weston?
Simple question!

[vetuste_ennemi]

//...there's a cottage industry of extremist lunatics...on youtube seizing on the coattails of people like ...Stefan Molyneux. It's a platform that's highly highly conducive to misinformation//

You have never seen a Stefan Molyneux video, and for that reason alone you can't substantiate the "misinformation" slur.

"Snide is us" does not constitute a logical argument, does it, Krom? Works well enough for you, though?

[fiction-factory]

//It isn’t saying //his treatment was due to having a Muslim Home Secretary and Sharia Law,//. As far as I’m aware the Home Secretary wasn’t responsible for the conditions he was subjected to in prison …. or was he? As for Sharia Law … in that prison …..debatable.

So why do think the video mentions it, Naomi? People seem to fall for these logical fallacies. I think that statement doesn't add anything except it shows the prejudices of the speaker

[fiction-factory]

//I repeat; Would you care to explain what you think is factually wrong with anything stated by Paul Weston?
Simple question!

You'll have to remind me what *facts* are in there. There are a few- eg the Home Secretary swore on the Koran, Tommy lost weight, but are there any key specific facts you are referring to?

[Kromovaracun]

I'm sorry to have a go at someone you're clearly fond of v_e, but Stefan Molyneux is a lunatic. He believes that there is a conspiracy for white genocide. He's even flirted with holocaust denial. He encourages his followers to break off connections to their families in a manner very similar to scientologists. He is a budding cult leader.

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, I clearly didn’t interpret it as you did, but rather as a warning of what the future holds.

Odd that our Home Secretary, the non-practising Muslim, should swear his oath on the Koran though. A bit like Sadiq Khan, that popular, right on politician, who speaks for all Londoners and yet deems criticism of FGM a hate crime. Who can you trust – and who are you going to defend?

Any answer to my question? Can’t help observing that you’re ducking it.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Please don't make assumptions about people I'm "very fond of", Kromo. There are, however, people (trained bigots, some of whose names begin with a K) I kind of despise.

[fiction-factory]

Okay Naomi. You did ask.

"Incarcerating him in a prison that has the highest percentage of Muslim inmates." I don't know. What were the figures by religion? Do they keep such figures? I'd rather keep out of prison altogether and if i went I couldn't really expect to have much say in which one I go to.

"giving him a cell close to the mosque. Have you got evidence that that is true ? weren't they all close to a mosque? Is it really any different to being next to any other building? No.

"Leaving his cell door unlocked"- we only have his word for that don't we?

"allowing Muslim prisoners to prepare his food, which for obvious reasons, he wouldn’t eat?". I think it's common for prisoners to prepare the food. A fair proportion of the food preparers would have been muslim, yes.

Best advice- keep out of prison,and if like Tommy you are the sort that makes a habit of going, try not to anatagonise large sections of the population, aprticularly those who have a disproprtionately high share of teh prison population before you go

[Kromovaracun]

"Trained bigots"....

I'm not often lost for words, but I'll confess I am here :)

[Gromit]

InfoWar and Alex Jones have just been dumped off YouTube, FaceBook and iTunes for spreading fake news.

Lets hope Paul Weston suffers a similar fate. These self publishing pundits (Tommy Robinson included) make lots of money from peddling lies, and the quicker their income stream dries up, the better.

[naomi24]

fiction-factory, //Have you got evidence that that is true ?//

These are pretty damning claims – and I've seen no refutation of any of it. Bearing in mind Tommy's obvious 'popularity' I'm guessing that had he been lying we'd have known about it - instantly.... don't you think? Where Tommy Robinson is concerned neither the authorities nor the media is backwards in coming forward! So ..... is any of that acceptable? (I read that the mosque is a room inside the prison - opposite the cell that Tommy Robinson occupied).

[vetuste_ennemi]

However, these self publishing pundits are sometimes preferable to their self-polishing critics.

[Khandro]

//but are there any key specific facts you are referring to?//
Yes, about a dozen, all on the video, why not watch it?
Here's a few, He did have urine and excrement thrown into his cell. he was locked in solitary confinement for 23 and half hours a day, his food was contaminated by the muslims who prepared it. He was moved from the comparative safety of Hull to the prison with the highest muslim population in England and, and, and.

[fiction-factory]

>why not watch it?
Er, I have said before that i have watched it (twice in fact).
Just because sommeone says something doesn't mean it's necessarily true. People lie, exaggerate. deliberately mislead or accept what someone has said without checking it. I'm sure some bits are true- solitary confinement (but maybe for own protection), urine thrown (probably happens a lot), food contaminated (wouldn't be the first or last time).
It's noticeable that Robinson has only allowed ceratin friendly groups to interview him and let him put his side of the story unchallenged. If only he'd let someone ask him proper questions and dig for the truth- a Paxman/Eddie Mayer/John Humpreys/Andrew Neill type.
I am not sure the Home Secreatry is required to respond to these allegations and explain things. That may come in time. See whether his legal team comes up with anything.

[-Talbot-]

FF?

[fiction-factory]

Talbot?

[naomi24]

FF, is any of that acceptable?

[fiction-factory]

Naomi. Nice try. I'll repeat teh quote from Paul Weston in teh video.

//Please bear in mind that asking a British Home Secretary to look into these issues of the phsyical and psychological torture of Tommy Robinson might just be affected by the extraordinary fact that for the first time in the history of our country we have in Sajid Javid a Home Secretary who swore his oath of political office on the Koran. Welcome to our present in totalitarian Sharia Britain .//

"Welcome to our present in totalitarian Sharia Britain."

That meaning is clear. If you read it differently i think you need to read it again. Twaddle isn't it.

[fiction-factory]

//FF, is any of that acceptable?

See above

[fiction-factory]

When did you stop beating your wife?
Why do people think that we should believe everything Tommy says. He has an agenda. Let his legal teams ask the questions if they want in the right way trhough the proper channels One sided adverts aimed at galvaising his followers who wills wallow anything aren't to be relied upon. His refusal to speak to anyone impartial on the basis that all the MSM is not to be trusted (every single journalist is evil, wicked, eh Paul?) doesn't wash with me